DarrenW
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 10:12 AM |
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Bad luck in more than 3's! Poss turbo failure
Accident in october.
Another in Jan.
Car not starting over winter.
Now poss turbo failure, possibly dead engine!
Anyone following saga before will know ive had some injector trouble. Car got booked in, specialist found 2 injectors leaking so reconditioned them.
Other 2 tested. Car stareted fine afterwards but i had to take it 4 miles down road to get body repairs done. Only got car back on thursday night and
it started fine and went well. Heard an odd fluttering noise though but put that down to work being done.
Set off friday afternoon for 200mile journey. 5 miles in car lost a lot of power on a hill and exhaled a large cloud of black smoke from exhaust.
Carried on but kept puffing smoke out over 3K revs ish. Eventually a whining noise developed and power kept reducing until it wouldnt pull passed 2200
revs or do more that 45mph. I managed to get it back to injector place. They pulled EGR hose off and engine oil was found inside. Now suspect turbo
has gone but they also said its possible con rods can be bent if too much oil has got into cylinders.
Has anyone else experience a diesel engine turbo failing - wondering if experience is similar to mine.
Car is 2002 BMW 320D (150bhp). 96K miles.
I wouldnt care but the car is looking mint after the bodyshop work (main dealer).
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Hellfire
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 10:28 AM |
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I had a Peugeot 406 1.9 TD...
I had 4 turbo's go in all (2000, 60,000 80,000 120,000) - all I got was white smoke out the back. With plenty of whistling and sh*t...
Get your money out - I think the Peugeot's were about £3K after fitting - not too sure as it was about 10 years ago and it was a company car.
Steve
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twybrow
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 10:33 AM |
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I think that age BMW diesel lump is prone to turbo failure. I know 2 friends that have both had to replace the Turbo (£3k job) between 55-100k.
Apparently it is a bit of a design flaw....
320D Turbo Failure
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Danozeman
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 10:40 AM |
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Ive heard that The 320D is prone to turbo's aswell. Isnt there a modifed one?
Im sure just a turbo will cure it. Iv changed loads of turbos on deisels and some have gone in a spectacular fashion. Never shagged the engine.
Youd know if it had bent conrod. I doubt it would run. Does it idle ok?
A dealer will fit engine turbo and cat just to be sure so dont take it anywhere near a dealer.
[Edited on 23/2/09 by Danozeman]
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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Guinness
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 10:42 AM |
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I had a TDi 130bhp VW Passat with similar symptoms. I was booting it over the Alston road, up from Penrith to the Hartside Cafe, when whump, lost
nearly all power. Limped home down the other side, took it in to the VW dealer who diagnosed a split turbo hose.
Hope it isn't mega bucks, whatever it is Darren.
Cheers
Mike
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hobbsy
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 10:52 AM |
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That's a real bummer.
320D's made around that time are prone to premature turbo failure. Mine went but not in a big way (no oil went anywhere just a slight bang and
then whistling).
If you have FBMWSH there is a possibility of *some* goodwill on there part but its still not cheap as best case you get the part for free but they
insist on replacing FULL exhaust system and intercooler and other parts even though a lot of them would be re-usable if just rinsed with solvent! You
have to pay the labour so ends up costing more than if you just bought the turbo yourself (a lot cheaper than they supply it for) and slap it on (what
I did).
There's more to the story than that - feel free to PM me put in summary I was left extremely underwhelmed by BMW's policy.
You're looking at around £700 for a brand new Garrett which is the redesigned part fitted to the later cars that don't suffer the problem.
Its about £1200/£1300 from BMW for the exact same part.
I think I got mine from Universal turbos, there can be large variations in the price but that was basically the trade price (even though I'm not
trade).
Don't bother rebuilding your old one as it was always going to die as its not up to the job - same have gone as low as 25K.
Once new part is fitted you should also get ECU reflashed with latest software version as this was also a small part of the problem (according to
BMW's own workshop info). This is about another £100 for 5mins work! 
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hobbsy
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 10:53 AM |
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Also danoze is right, in theory if you've dumped a load of oil down the exhaust the CAT will be an ex-CAT but you don't need one for a
diesel to pass MOT etc so rinse it out or gut it or if you're feeling flush there is a guy on ebay / bmwland selling stainless decat's
(but not that cheap).
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pewe
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 11:12 AM |
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Don't know if it's a similar set-up to SAABs but the oil return pipe from the bottom of the turbo to the sump runs close to the exhaust
down-pipe and eventually cooks the pipe out of sight around the back leading to turbo failure.
May not be that in your case but always worth a check every time you do your own oil-change.
HTH
Cheers, Pewe
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turboben
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 01:26 PM |
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As above - check the boosted piping before doing anything. It could just be a pipe off.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 01:54 PM |
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Thanks all.
Shortly after it happened i pulled over to pop bonnet and see if there was anything obvious, atthe time as it was so close to having the injectors
overhauled i wondered if it was that. Whining noise wasnt nice. Engine was ticking over. I switched engine off. Upon trying to restart it was a right
pig, engine wouldnt turn over cleanly. It started eventually and i limped it back to garage. It got slower and slower until eventualy wouldnt go over
2200 revs / 45 mph.
If a conrod has bent what would the engine be like (im assuming we could be talking a slight bend rather than really bad mash up)?
Would blown turbo do what ive described? I somehow thought it would just mean i have no boost, but i guess excessive oil would make running rough.
Ive also been told that if a turbo does pass oil it then revs up dramatically and only stops when engine siezes - however even with foot right down
mine wouldnt rev.
Im just hoping fragments from turbo (if they do that) havent been sucked into engine.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 23/2/09 at 03:16 PM |
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Another top quality design from Bavaria...
The 320D not only suffers from premature turbo and injector failure, but the 150bhp model also suffers from failure of the "swirl flaps"
within the inlet manifold. These are butterflies designed to increase gas speed at low RPM to improve torque, but they have a tendency to snap off
the operating shaft and get ingested by the engine, which can cause significant damage.
http://www.bimmerforums.co.uk/forum/f3/bmw-e46-diesel-info-t5537/
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DarrenW
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| posted on 15/3/09 at 09:32 PM |
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Engine has been taken apart and problem now diagnosed. Piston burnt out, big ends almost through and turbo failed in dramatic style. Ive always driven
car carefully and oil last changed 7K miles ago, yet engine man says it wa sso thick and sludgy he would normally suspect it has never been
changed!
Im a bit shocked at how a supposedly premuim motor can fail so spectacularly.
Just waiting the BMW parts to arrive so it can be re-assembled. Fingers crossed that is an end to the troubles.
Inlet manifold was de-flapped last year.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 15/3/09 at 09:41 PM |
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One of the regulars in my local pub drives very high annual mileages, so he bought a largish BMW. The tales of woe I've heard from him have put
me off Beemers for life. He's also had a Mercedes - not a lot better, with especially bad main stealer service. He's a very steady and
smooth driver, so it's not a case of unsympathetic driving style in either case.
I suggested that he bought a large Lexus to get the Toyota quality, with the added bonus of a lower price - but he's a fashion victim and has to
have his Beemer or Merc.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 19/3/09 at 02:40 PM |
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New turbo has arrived. £720 trade Some places wanted more than that + VAT. Brand new later design garrett so hopefully will be good.
Darent ask what the engine rebuild will be. Had a look at old turbo, spindle looked like it had no bearings holding it at all, totally knacked. Big
ends probs suffered a bit of oil starvation. I still cant believe such a catastrophic failure can happen in such a new car that i have looked after
for over 3 years.
Its surprising how many people ive heard from with Diesel cars that have had a turbo fail.
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Coose
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| posted on 19/3/09 at 02:54 PM |
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Bad luck matey! But, your woes have helped me in one sense - I'm contemplating opting out of my company car scheme and was just looking at
Beemer estates (not that I really want a Beemer, it's just that they're RWD) and you've completely talked me out of one!
p.s. A friend of mine had a Beemer 320 diesel of a similar vintage to yours, bought new. Turbo popped at 10k.....
Spin 'er off Well...
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DarrenW
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| posted on 19/3/09 at 03:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Coose
Bad luck matey! But, your woes have helped me in one sense - I'm contemplating opting out of my company car scheme and was just looking at
Beemer estates (not that I really want a Beemer, it's just that they're RWD) and you've completely talked me out of one!
p.s. A friend of mine had a Beemer 320 diesel of a similar vintage to yours, bought new. Turbo popped at 10k.....
Its a pleasure to be of assistance. Id probs have been better off buying a petrol car. Savings owning a diesel have been wiped out this year
already.
The cars are great though. I still like mine a lot. Similar spec premium other brands have there own faults too. Its really hard these days to
recommend a car to someone. Diesels seem to be just too complicated and refined now. They should have stuck to using tractor engines in them
In fairness to BMW, they have sold thousands and only a small % have problems. main issue is that people expect them to be ultra reliable and the sad
fact is all modern cars are built to an accountants budget.
Iam really against these new massive mileage services. Im sure they are just a marketing ploy and designed to get the cars through the warranty
period........ unlucky for the next owners.
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MikeR
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| posted on 19/3/09 at 06:31 PM |
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Eeek....
I've got a ford TDCI diesel and started to have issues at 60k (EGR valve failed) and its 3.5 years old.
I'm getting mine serviced every twelve months / 12k miles and tempted with a 6 month / 6k oil change. I want this car to last another 60 to 100k
miles!
Tried to explain to a lad in the office that mercs are no longer the ultra reliable car they used to be. He was having none of it - they are the
premium brand etc.
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