cd.thomson
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 posted on 11/3/09 at 09:09 AM |
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OT + Rant: Cock Drivers
Ok bear with me, I'm in a bit of a rage. Everybody knows that driving along the M1 in the fast lane, outside of rush hour ,is going to result in
either a BMW, Audi or Merc driving inches from your rear bumper with main beams being flashed - no matter what reason you have for being in the fast
lane. It does everyones head in, but you just think "c**t" complete your overtaking and move over when sensible.
This morning at 8:30 coming into Nottingham on a busy dual carriage way where it crosses the M1 I've just had to deal with the king of k**bs on
a motorbike. This isnt a rant about his method of transport, just him as a driver - but I do think extra consideration is necessary as a biker at rush
hour and I do have a bike license.
I saw him coming quick down the fast lane and I had two cars behind and one in front of me all over taking a chain of 5 or 6 LGVs. The biker sat close
on the rear car until it was forced into moving over in between two of the lorries. Same thing happened to the car behind but it didnt move over so
the bike did a highly suspect undertake in the gap between another two of the lorries so he was no sat on my backside.
I wasnt moving.
The next 2 lorries were too close for him to use the slow lane so he moved to within a nats arse on my rear bumper and started with the main beams (as
if I hadnt seen him coming) so I shook my head which seemed to send him off the handle. He must have been centimetres from my rear bumper when i gave
him the finger.
This caused him to intiate and absolutely insane undertake, so I put my foot down and closed the gap with the car in front to prevent it. Needless to
say he was not happy. Once I'd passed the lorries and a couple of cars and the road opened up slightly and did move over to let him pass and he
decided to come right up to my drivers window - so I laughed at him and gestured "what are you going to do now?". He passed me and sat on
my front bumper doing intermittent heavy braking and kept coming back to my side. I kept laughing until eventually he sped away and as a parting gift,
put a crack in my wing mirror.
Now I know I purposefully p*ssed him off, but everything I was doing on the road was legitimate and it would have been unsafe to let him pass by
moving into the trucks braking gaps anyway.
I really could have made him a statistic
Craig
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stevebubs
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:11 AM |
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Did you take his number?
If so, report him to the police for failing to stop at the scene of an accident.
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whitestu
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:14 AM |
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Don't worry - if he's riding like that a complete stranger will have his liver by the end of the week!
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owelly
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:15 AM |
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If you're that upset, report him (for criminal damage at least) but be prepared for him to counter your claims with one stating that you were
driving dangerously. The guy was without doubt a cock of the cockiest order but if you've been closing gaps to cause him grief, then
you'll be in the same knob shaped boat as him. I would have thrown a cold cup of Maccy D's coffee over him as Miss Owelly always seems to
collect them in the car......
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:15 AM |
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You got his reg plate?? Report him and then get a claim going for the damaged mirror. I'd have been tempted to not brake in time when he was
doing his outbraking manouvers!!! Idiot bikers are about as bad as it gets - its them that get killed if either they or the driver doesnt react in
time to their stunts. 
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:18 AM |
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I hate it when people insist on doing dumb stuff like that. I know quite a few bikers who have got so het up over flicking the vees at someone they
arn't concentrating and crash. What a dumb ass.
Saying that, no matter how unsafe I judge someone elses driving or riding, I would not use a blockpass on em in case they got hurt.
As it was a bike, you would have got off lightly if he'd have hit you, maybe a few scraps on your car at most - I doubt if it was a sprinter van
(also terrible for doing stupid moves) I would have sat in the fast lane like that - if only because I;ve got two kids and dont want to end up as a
statistic, no matter how much anyone p i s s e s me off.
Glad you got through it "pretty much" unscathed.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:19 AM |
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Well this is the best bit, although I saw a plate in my rear view mirror, when he came past me he didnt have a rear plate on view. So once the damage
was done there wasnt a number to take down 
Craig
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:20 AM |
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I wouldn't recommend trying to annoy bikers and certainly not trying to cut one up as it sounds in your post
for a start their mates might be not far behind and will give you a right hiding or leave you in a ditch somewhere
many also seem to be wearing camera's so you might find this incident on you-tube by now
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:22 AM |
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so why did you speed up when he tried going past? why didn't you just let him get on with it and that would be the end of that? nope, instead
you gave him the finger, sped up and prevented him from overtaking 'as safely' (ie you actualy made it more dangerous)
yes, he was being a cock, but if i'm honest, and there's no point pretending, i think you were too
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I wouldn't recommend trying to annoy bikers and certainly not trying to cut one up as it sounds in your post
for a start their mates might be not far behind and will give you a right hiding or leave you in a ditch somewhere
many also seem to be wearing camera's so you might find this incident on you-tube by now
Woah, I didnt cut anybody up. He tried to undertake in a very small gap in the slow lane to move into a small gap between me and the car in front - id
have had to have braked to let him in.
What really boils my p*ss is when stuff like this happens then people claim you should just bend over and take the royal rodgering. I wasnt annoying
HIM, I was driving as standard, he was annoying ME
Craig
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:24 AM |
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Wan*er of the highest order! It's people like that who give bikers a bad name! I'd have done the same as you. A good tip is to keep a
flash camera (that's one that goes flash not one that is flash) in the car and start taking photos (just piont and press, I'm not
suggesting you take your eyes off the road). Taking photo evidence should worry him enough to make him p*ss off (whether or not the photos are
actually any good)!
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow © 
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:25 AM |
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quote:
This caused him to intiate and absolutely insane undertake, so I put my foot down and closed the gap with the car in front to prevent it.
your words not mine
Best thing in these cases is just get rid of them, let them go elsewhere and kill themselves. I know driving these days is full of bullying and
intimidation from folk who should not be on the road but continuing a confrontation will only serve to make the situation worse
[Edited on 11/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
so why did you speed up when he tried going past? why didn't you just let him get on with it and that would be the end of that? nope, instead
you gave him the finger, sped up and prevented him from overtaking 'as safely' (ie you actualy made it more dangerous)
yes, he was being a cock, but if i'm honest, and there's no point pretending, i think you were too
I disagree (of course  ) he was undertaking not overtaking, he would bearly have scrapped the manevoure anyway and only then if I'd have braked
to let him in. The situation would actually have been more dangerous if he had completed the pass and ended up sandwiched between me and the car in
front.
edited to add: and I would describe me cutting him up as me moving out into the fast lane as he was attempting to overtake me and that yes I
completely agree with you Mr Whippy. I drive 10000s miles a year with work and come across these cocks weekly if not daily. This is the first time I
thought - right I've had enough. Turns out if youve got your head screwed on and behave responsibly in the modern world then you have to bit the
bullet and prepared to get f*cked over by everyone else.
[Edited on 11/3/09 by cd.thomson]
[Edited on 11/3/09 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:31 AM |
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you might meet his mates tomorrow...
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Phil.J
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:32 AM |
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Doesn't sound like either of you are blameless. Just learn from the experience and let tossers pass and out of your way asap.
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l0rd
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:39 AM |
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First of all put your knives down on the table. No reason for talking like that.
Second of all. Did you manage to identify the bike? inform the police for the incident. Let them know of the bike.
How did the mirror break? Did he knock it with something? If he did, this can be considered as an assault as well.
Obviously don't tell them that you speeded up to close the gap. You could mention to them that you had to speed up to increase the gap between
the two of you and also put you into risk for an accident.
Obviously cameras are around so if they want, i am sure they can find him.
Mention the fact that the numberplate wasn't on the back as well which could mean the bike was stolen.
Bla bla bla.
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eddie99
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:39 AM |
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I get your point but you should have just let him gone past.
Im Surprised you didnt see him a few miles later dead.
Lots of stupid bikers/drivers that will get themselves killed doing stuff like that.
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P ?
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:53 AM |
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im pretty sure everyone thats just said they would have just let him pass, just do exactly that without so much as a tut.... Honestly lol.
Im the most placid driver but even i have tick off points!
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balidey
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 09:58 AM |
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Washer jets. That is all.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 10:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by l0rd
First of all put your knives down on the table. No reason for talking like that.
I'm having a cuppa now, I posted as soon as I got into work right after it had happened and I was furious.
I think I was mainly annoyed because I'm spending ages getting my car in VGC to sell it, and now this is another job I need to do. I admit that
I did snap and I did increase the danger of the situation by proxy - his reaction to my behaviour was to drive more dangerously. Normally I would have
rolled over, I stood up for myself and ended off worse for it. It gets frustrating how that seems how everything works these days.
More relaxed about it now, straw that broke the camels back and all that
Craig
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02GF74
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 10:03 AM |
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it is easy to see red in these situations but you have to resist.
if there had been an accident, how would you feel if you were responsible for a death or a serious injury? how would you know if you would be ok as
well?
and think of the ensuing delay for ambulance and police to pick up the pieces.
IMO it is just not worth it.
Yes, I have had this happen, very often it is the driver's for German cars and white vans. Come up right behing you and flash for you to move
out of the way but there is cars infront so they gain nothing other than being in the place where my car was - I am being held up by the cars
infront.
Best to not move out of the way, for a little while at least, just to make a point but no more than that.
If they become really aggressive - I had one car, a few years back, start to indicate and then attempt to overtake me in the space between my car and
the central barrier let them on their way.
Very likely they'll get their comeuppance but not at my expense.
Take lots of deep breaths and try to calm down, not easy I grant you.
[Edited on 11/3/09 by 02GF74]
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handyandy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 10:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
it is easy to see red in these situations but you have to resist.
if there had been an accident, how would you feel if you were responsible for a death or a serious injury? how would you know if you would be ok as
well?
and think of the ensuing delay for ambulance and police to pick up the pieces.
IMO it is just not worth it.
Yes, I have had this happen, very often it is the driver's for German cars and white vans. Come up right behing you and flash for you to move
out of the way but there is cars infront so they gain nothing other than being in the place where my car was - I am being held up by the cars
infront.
Best to not move out of the way, for a little while at least, just to make a point but no more than that.
If they become really aggressive - I had one car, a few years back, start to indicate and then attempt to overtake me in the space between my car and
the central barrier let them on their way.
Very likely they'll get their comeuppance but not at my expense.
Take lots of deep breaths and try to calm down, not easy I grant you.
[Edited on 11/3/09 by 02GF74]
well said, totally agree, .
as already said if the biker rides like that on a regular basis he will soon become a statistic of his own making,
as you have now calmed down from the incident, take it as a learning experience & if there,s a "next time" you,ll assess the BIGGER
PICTURE with more clarity.
not easy to accept when that sort of thing happens. but the better man & all that........
rgds
andy
ps, i,m a biker & a sprinter driver, GULP
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 10:18 AM |
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I do drive a lot with work and have done for a long time now. I am not the slowest driver out there by any stretch of the imagination but in the last
5 years or so I have really mellowed it my attitude to driving and other road users. If I encounter a kn*b, be it in a car, van or lorry or on a bike
then the less time I am near them, the better! If this means "rolling over" to let them past then this is what I do. I don't want
them near me when they do their next stupid stunt!
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SeaBass
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 12:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Quinn
If I encounter a kn*b, be it in a car, van or lorry or on a bike then the less time I am near them, the better! If this means "rolling
over" to let them past then this is what I do. I don't want them near me when they do their next stupid stunt!
I totally agree - the older I get the more I believe this to be true...
Also the outside lane masters round here don't tend to be Germanic in nature but Vauxhall and Ford repmobiles.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 12:24 PM |
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I'm the same - get out of their way, and let them be a statistic somewhere else. They may think that they've 'won the
battle', but I simply don't care.
For a similar reason, I really don't mind people driving much faster than me on the motorway - if the police have a choice between pulling
someone over for doing 75-ish, or someone doing 90-ish, I can guess which they'll prefer...
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