t16turbotone
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:06 AM |
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can i weld sump whilst in the car?
hi folks, got a transit diesel, whilst at a scrapyard a piece of rebar put hole in sump pan. Is there any way i can weld the pan up whilist in van? Or
will i just kill myself trying?
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Humbug
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:07 AM |
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It would be quick difficult unless you are very tall and double-jointed 
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:08 AM |
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Not a good idea, you'll almost certainly set fire to the remaining oil in the sump.
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nib1980
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by t16turbotone
hi folks, got a transit diesel, whilst at a scrapyard a piece of rebar put hole in sump pan. Is there any way i can weld the pan up whilist in van? Or
will i just kill myself trying?
I'd say very difficult to get a clean weld with the oil in the pan
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Staple balls
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
It would be quick difficult unless you are very tall and double-jointed
Dammit, beaten to it 
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clairetoo
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:10 AM |
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I cant see a good enough reason to stop me from doing it (speedbump`d my sump at work , now it has a tiny leak :mad
I plan on just dropping the oil and getting on with it - whats the worst that could happen ?
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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hellbent345
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:12 AM |
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its possible you will set fire to the oil in the sump, but if its only a very small hole the oxygen shouldnt be able to feed the flame for long... its
a risk, but i dont think there would be an explosion, i dont think oil is that volatile
If its a big hole (probably bigger than say a 50p) id take it off...
edit to say you shouldn't have the issue with contaminated weld if you weld a piece on that is bigger than the hole, and make sure the outer
surface is clean
[Edited on 27/5/09 by hellbent345]
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:14 AM |
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go back to the scrapyard and get another pan
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 09:20 AM |
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Actually I've done just this before on the cortina after I put a tear in the underside when it hit the ground (it was though a quite spectacular
jump ). As it turned out it was a doddle to do and no the engine doesn't go up in flames.
Do pour some oil in to flush the bottom of the sump after welding to remove any tiny bits of weld splatter.
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nick205
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 10:02 AM |
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Drain the oil (probably self drained if there's a hole anyway  ) and leave the dip stick out to allow any pressure from heating to escape.
Should be fine then to weld a patch on the outside.
Keep a fire extinguisher handy just in case - CO2 or Powder IIRC, but not water.
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hughpinder
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 10:10 AM |
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If you're tigging it, set a long pre weld purge and purge the engine via the hole the rebar made (obviously not if its a tiny crack)
Regards
Hugh
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 10:16 AM |
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Assuming it's an end-of-life van and you're in a hurry, there really is nothing to worry about.
Drain the oil, jack the thing up (assuming there's something solid on the thing to place the jack under) so the residual oil runs away from the
hole. Clean as best you can and weld a plate on. It won't be pretty, you'll get voids, but it'll work. You will get a fire in sump,
but there's very little oxygen in there to support it. Throw some water over the sump to cool in all down. Put the oil back in (strain it if you
can first). I've done this on a series Land Rover, in the field, no problem.
If the van is at all valuable, replace sump, or remove and weld.
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iank
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 12:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
... whats the worst that could happen ?
Burning the remaining oil into solid chunks of carbon which then goes through a big end bearing trashing it and throwing a rod through the side of the
engine.
That's the worst I can think of, you'll probably get away with it though.
[Edited on 27/5/09 by iank]
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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DarrenW
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 01:59 PM |
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I know a guy who has just replaced a rusty holed sump on a ford van, new one was only about £40 iirc.
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clairetoo
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 02:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
... whats the worst that could happen ?
Burning the remaining oil into solid chunks of carbon which then goes through a big end bearing trashing it and throwing a rod through the side of the
engine.
That's the worst I can think of, you'll probably get away with it though.
[Edited on 27/5/09 by iank]
Um..........this solid chunk of carbon would have to get through the oil strainer and then the pump and filter first so that's not a major worry
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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iank
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 02:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
... whats the worst that could happen ?
Burning the remaining oil into solid chunks of carbon which then goes through a big end bearing trashing it and throwing a rod through the side of the
engine.
That's the worst I can think of, you'll probably get away with it though.
[Edited on 27/5/09 by iank]
Um..........this solid chunk of carbon would have to get through the oil strainer and then the pump and filter first so that's not a major worry
The oil strainer will just break it into smaller lumps for the pump to move on In the worst case scenario
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Peteff
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| posted on 27/5/09 at 07:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
I cant see a good enough reason to stop me from doing it (speedbump`d my sump at work , now it has a tiny leak :mad
I plan on just dropping the oil and getting on with it - what's the worst that could happen ?
That's what we did on the old pinto my mate had, just do it It smokes a lot but I don't think there was enough air to sustain a fire.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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