rayward
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 07:40 AM |
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Garage Door Security?
right, after being awoken at 4 am this morning by3 little scrotes braking into the garage, i now need to beef up security and fit a new door!
anyone know how secure roller doors are over the up and over type?, and is electric or manual the best option?
any other seciruty ideas?
cheers
Ray
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nib1980
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 07:53 AM |
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240v direct to the door will work.
I got a garage anchor that bolts deep into the floor and holds the door down, only way in now is to cut the whole door off
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owelly
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 07:53 AM |
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I would say roller shutters are easier to break into as they are harder to beef up!
Just try to break injto your own place and see how easy it is. What sort of building is it? It's fruitless making the door secure if it's
an asbestos garage or the roof is a but flimsy!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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Myke 2463
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 07:54 AM |
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I personaly like the idea of the roller door, padlocked to the ground along with steel side door and bars over the windows.
Just make life harder for the bastards.
Hope you didn't loose too much.
Mike.
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RickRick
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 08:00 AM |
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i've got a standard up and over door, reinforced with a steel angle frame, on the inside, and a couple of these into the ground, and into the up
and ocer mechanism on the sides.
i think there meant to be fitted on the outside of the door, as the ones i got came with a big steel shield, but i put them inside, so the shootbolts
pass though the doors frame into the ground
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-HIGH-SECURITY-GARAGE-DOOR-DEAD-LOCKS-PARTS-SPARES_W0QQitemZ380115844342QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Door_Accessories_LE?h
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rayward
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 08:03 AM |
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thanks for the info fellas, its in integral garagem so pretty secure apart from the door, but that also means there's no other acces into the
garage other than the front door
nib, nice idea, but i'd probably forget to turn it off and end up frying myself!
Ray
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rgrs
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 08:26 AM |
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As far as roller doors go, there is a big difference between lower quality doors and a premier insulated door such as SeceuroGlide, but unfortunately
there is a big cost difference.
On a single width door using the thickest SeceuroGlide section door you would have to ram raid it to get in.
Electric all the way its worth the extra plus also the locking systems are different between manual/electric.
But expect to pay £800 ish for a electric door plus fitting, but fit it yourself- if you can build a car you can fit a roller door.
Roger
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Steve G
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 08:49 AM |
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scumbags - we should be allowed to batter them around the head with a baseball bat. As said - really hope they didnt get away with anything.
Have you got a security light fitted? Seems the obvious first step and is often enough to make the scum look for an easier target.
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 08:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RickRick
i've got a standard up and over door, reinforced with a steel angle frame, on the inside, and a couple of these into the ground, and into the up
and ocer mechanism on the sides.
i think there meant to be fitted on the outside of the door, as the ones i got came with a big steel shield, but i put them inside, so the shootbolts
pass though the doors frame into the ground
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-HIGH-SECURITY-GARAGE-DOOR-DEAD-LOCKS-PARTS-SPARES_W0QQitemZ380115844342QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Door_Accessories_LE?h
ash=item5880ab7cf6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A4%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A200
They dont work, I fitted them and about 5 lads charged the door and the panel flexed enough with the impact for them to be ripped straight out of the
ground.
I suggest bollards in front of the door, the ones that drop into the ground, or for an easy but visual deterant try a garage defender - they
arn't great against the skilled burgler, but for the chavs it will cause enough problems to try a different house.
bear in mind, if they have got a taste for what you have they WILL be back.
I got done twice in two weeks, 5 motorbikes stolen in total. the second time I had improved security. In the end I emptied the garage and left the
door wide open for a few nights followed by a BIG sign that said, "due to theft I will no longer be storing bikes at this address"
I then got a nice new shiney door and a garage defender, plus some secuirty on the inside of the door (I have an internal door too) and had no
problems since.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 09:04 AM |
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[Edited on 20/6/09 by MakeEverything]
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 09:08 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by Steve G
scumbags - we should be allowed to batter them around the head with a baseball bat.
You can can't you? Since Tony Martin shot that pikie as the ran away after robbing him, i think the law changed in that you can use
"reasonable force".
That doesnt mean battering someone with a baseball bat, but if (for example) you find a cat burglar in your bedroom, or even upstairs and you can see
a weapon of sorts, then reasonable force would be to defend yourself and family to fight off an attack.
"Well your honour, he came at me with a knife, so i had to defend myself as i was terrified for the safety of myself and my family"
Having approached the subject at my Ju-Jitsu club, my instructor said that if someone was making a clear attempt on your life, then it would be
reasonable force to take to use Ju-Jitsu to stop that attack. This has been proven in the past on a number of different case, however - heres the
clincher.
The definition of "Reasonable Force" is so subjective, you will be at the mercy of the jury or magistrate.
Prevention is the best method. I strengthened the frame of the door, the frame of the garage, and made it so tight to open (draft prevention) with
draft excluders etc, it makes a hell of a noise to open.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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owelly
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 09:27 AM |
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I work mate of mine rents a lock-up garage away from his house in a block of council garages. It was often getting broken into by bored teenagers
(arseholes).
I crafted a bar that was made out of 2" box section that was about knee-high and dropped into a bracket on either side of the door frame. Then I
used two of those doorframe deadbolts to secure the bottom of the door to the bar. From the outside, all you could see were two 8mm holes where the
deadbolt star keys went in. I could have used two 5-lever deadbolts for more security.
The garage door already had a decent fixing to the top and side of the frame once locked and the little tinkers only ever tried to bend the
bottom/corners of the door to get in. My bar stopped them from doing this.
Five years later and it's never been broken into. Someone drew a massive cock on it though...............
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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emsfactory
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 09:41 AM |
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Someone drew a massive cock on it though...............
I can relate to that. We now have a six foot ira slogan on our building. Oh and apparently Mcdowal is a thief. The rest is all gibberish.
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blakep82
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 09:49 AM |
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if it attached to your house, and it sounds like it is, can you get your garage doors added in to you house alarm if you have one.
our alarm is one of the old wired type (wired IR sensors etc) but the guy came round to service it and said he could add in the garage wirelessly, so
we'll have sensors on both doors, and an new ariel put in the house for £130
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graememk
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 09:53 AM |
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buy a dog, not to stick in the garage but to wake up and bark if it hears a noise.
i have a golden retriever and hes awake the second someone touched the gravel outside.
mind i do also live in gods waiting ground so its very quiet
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 09:55 AM |
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If the door is not in regular use like ours isn't I simply drilled holes at the bottom either side thru the door and frame and slide a bar
through, I have also done the same at the top.
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blakep82
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 10:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by emsfactory
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Someone drew a massive cock on it though...............
I can relate to that. We now have a six foot ira slogan on our building. Oh and apparently Mcdowal is a thief. The rest is all gibberish.
ha ha a massive cock. they're original these lot, aren't they?
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norm007
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| posted on 20/6/09 at 11:05 AM |
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I had the local scum trying to get in mine about 6 x years ago.
The following morning after repairing the side door I made an internal gate made out of inch box and 12mm steel bars.
Now I have to open external door, disarm the alarm, then remove said gate which is padlocked in place.
I also bought a baby monitor. (one end in garage, the other in bedroom).
Oh, and last but not least, I bought a baseball bat from Argos, which after a quick knock about with a friends kids, now lives under my bed!!!
(knocked a ball about, not kids! oh and bat lives under bed, not kids).
In a sick sort of way, I am almost disappointed that they have not been back!!!
Something about this, so very wrong.....I have to laugh out loud, I wish I didn`t like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rayward
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| posted on 23/6/09 at 02:29 PM |
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cheers fellas, they didn;t actually get it cos the alarm is wired to the garage door aswell, so fortunately haven't see whats in there.
looked at a few "garage" roller doors and to be honest haven;t been too impressed with any of them (even the secoruglide seemed to flex
quite a bit)
got in touch with a local company who make security shutters for the likes of comet etc, and they are making me a one off electric remote controlled
one powder coated in white for a touch over £600 supply only
cheers
Ray
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eccsmk
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| posted on 23/6/09 at 06:09 PM |
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a friend of mine has his garage doors and the wire mesh on the windows
all wired to an electric fence jobby
these
today i was talking to a chap who has just had his workshop door reinforced after a break in
they came back last night wih a ladder and smashed through the asbestos roof
so today he was making a cage to go inside the workshop for all his tools etc.
what a lovely world we live in
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MikeR
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| posted on 23/6/09 at 06:13 PM |
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I have a fire extingisher in my bed room .... seems most fires happen in the house and on my fire warden training course I was told its good practice
to have an extinguisher in your bedroom.
So .... when ever i hear a noise I go downstairs with it ..... if there is anyone in hte house they're getting a face full of powder and
i'm calling the police. It will be easy enough to identify them. They'll be covered in white powder looking guilty as hell!
(i'm a coward otherwise before someone suggests hitting them with it)
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iank
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| posted on 23/6/09 at 06:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
The definition of "Reasonable Force" is so subjective, you will be at the mercy of the jury or magistrate.
I heard on the radio that a general guide was you were allowed one hit for free. If they fight then you're allowed more. But hitting people
while they are running away/on the ground unconscious wouldn't be considered reasonable.
But you're right in the end it's down to a jury (don't think GBH/ABH/Attempted murder cases are taken by magistrates).
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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carpmart
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| posted on 23/6/09 at 07:31 PM |
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'Reasonable force' is subjective and is dependent on circumstance. As far as I am concerned, I will always use 'reasonable
force' and as long as I keep saying at the time I was making decisions about what I was doing it was reasonable to me, I think you are in a
fairly strong position with the rozzers. If it gets to court, its down to your peers to decide and then its a different game all together.
You only live once - make the most of it!
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