chris mason
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:06 PM |
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Give Them A Job
Seeing as the locostbuilders fraternity like a good debate here's another to discuss 
We have an alledged 2.5 million unemployed in the Uk at the minute (probably more, but the statistics are massaged slightly)
We import huge amounts each year of products which could be manufactured here in the UK, if it wasn't for the cost of labour rates (minimum
wage)
So why doesn't the government build very large factories around some of the major cities and send the unemployed to work, want your giro this
week, then get up in the morning and go to work at these factories, put in an 8 hour shift each day and get your rewards.
Yeah not everyone will live near a large city (goverment run factory), but we could always send these people by goverment run transport (jobs for
redundant bus drivers) if they don't like the commute then get a job locally like everyone else.
Why should we pay people too sit at home, when we could get something from them in return.
There's plenty of really skilled/experienced people that have been made redundant over the past 3 years, so seeing as these factories need
managers/supervisors etc, these would be the main candidates for such jobs.
All the lay abouts who have no intention of ever working, would secure the worst jobs.
With everyone being forced to work or receive no benefits, surely this would help motivate people to work harder and secure a better job.
It would give those who want too work, some sense of acheivement and help with learning new skills and bettering themselves, all those who have no
interest in working, would end up worse off by still working and getting little if any benefit from it.
There's some possible issues with a scheme like this (days off for job interviews, holidays etc) but these problems are easily worked around.
Obviously this isn't aimed at the majority of hard working, but recently employed/redundant people (although they would have to follow the
scheme for equality) but more a point to make the young people that this country is breeding, appreciate nothing is free in this world and like your
grandparents who had to work for the nice things in life, rather than just wait for the next handout.
What should we produce? help the farmers? It would need to exportable for obvious reasons? Should these people do the more mundane jobs in uk
industry?
So what do you think, Give them a job or pay them too watch Jemery Kyle?
[Edited on 21/9/11 by chris mason]
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RickRick
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:12 PM |
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I've always thought the unemplyed, could do extra things, like extra street cleaning, or gardening in parks, try to make the place look nice!
especialy if it's essentialy free! could have the current cleaners/gardners as supervisors.
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jossey
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:25 PM |
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dont you think they have thought about that.
What about the unfortunate who lose their job and will spend 4 weeks looking hard to get a new job but in the meantime maybe want to claim what they
have paid 20 years in tax to cover......
does that mean they have to work fulltime reducing the chance of getting a job?
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:26 PM |
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as above
a sort of national service.
the problem is, you would have the 10% of the people who want to work going to do it and the 90% lazy bums who cant be arsed phoning in sick with
stress
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whitestu
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:31 PM |
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I think the flaw in the original idea is that it would still be cheaper to buy the imports than have the government set up a factory to employ people
who, in a lot of cases, don't want to work, or are so useless that they can't even function in the the lowest level of employment.
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:36 PM |
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ive sussed it, on the dole for > 6 months and you get put down. I would happliy volunteer to gas them all
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mrwibble
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:42 PM |
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quote:
So why doesn't the government build very large factories around some of the major cities and send the unemployed to work, want your giro this
week, then get up in the morning and go to work at these factories, put in an 8 hour shift each day and get your rewards.
I'm afraid what your describing is socialism, in its most extreme cases communism. The theory is great, except when you remove the incentive of
profit, i.e the gov is paying whether the company turns a profit or not, you become extremely ineffecient and wasteful. Also it would have to be so
heavily subsidised by said govt in order for the goods to be affordable to market, as they would be in most cases competing with cheap goods
manufactured where labour costs are so tiny, that its cheaper to make them there and ship thousands of miles round the world. That is why we have
manufacturing in this country that requires skilled labour, i.e bae systems or Jag landrover. sadly masses of unskilled labour will never be part of
our economy again, unless the chinese get so rich their min wages outstrip ours!
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:45 PM |
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Mr fellows, before you make sweeping statements like that, perhaps you should try being unemployed with a family to support. it's no joke for
decent human beings.
To keep foreign imports down, tha US Govt uses slave labour to make white goods. Prisoners are forced to work manufacturing these items or face
solitary confinement for the term of their sentence.
Edited to say: Just in case you think I am a bleeding heart. The prisoners are all voluteers, or they wouldn't be there in the first place.
As for 'gassing them all'. . . . Have you wanted to be in the Gestapo for long then?
[Edited on 21/9/11 by Confused but excited.]
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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jeffw
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 02:53 PM |
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A simpler answer would be to refuse to issue work visas to foreign nationals until there was 0% unemployment in the UK. Why are we importing labour
when we have a perfectly good (in most cases) workforce on benefits. Retrain them if necessary but don't import cheap labour from, primarily,
the Indian subcontinent until there are a surplus of jobs.
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CRAIGR
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:06 PM |
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Don't underestimate the people from the indian subcontinent as they are very clever. They ring me at least once a week to tell me my pc has a
problem and we generally exchange pleasantries. Super service i think you'll agree
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lewis
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
A simpler answer would be to refuse to issue work visas to foreign nationals until there was 0% unemployment in the UK. Why are we importing labour
when we have a perfectly good (in most cases) workforce on benefits. Retrain them if necessary but don't import cheap labour from, primarily,
the Indian subcontinent until there are a surplus of jobs.
+1
I am a driving god!..........sort of
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
Mr fellows, before you make sweeping statements like that, perhaps you should try being unemployed with a family to support. it's no joke for
decent human beings.
To keep foreign imports down, tha US Govt uses slave labour to make white goods. Prisoners are forced to work manufacturing these items or face
solitary confinement for the term of their sentence.
Edited to say: Just in case you think I am a bleeding heart. The prisoners are all voluteers, or they wouldn't be there in the first place.
As for 'gassing them all'. . . . Have you wanted to be in the Gestapo for long then?
[Edited on 21/9/11 by Confused but excited.]
you obvioulsy didnt take my comments in the light hearted manner they where meant, but still some truths persist.
I have been on the dole, I dont have a family to support. But when/If I do plan a family I will ensure I can afford to look after them before I
randomly knock them out (not saying this is what you did before you have a go at me for that too)
given my way you wouldnt get a single penny from the goverment after six months, im sick to death of hearing people tell me there are no jobs, what
they mean is there are no jobs they like the sound of or can be arsed to do.
I run my own business now having being made redundant 3 years ago, if the IT sector fell apart tomorrow and didn't exist, I guarantee by next
week I would be doing something that makes me money - its not hard, just most cant be arsed
really the Gestapo? they gassed Jews not lazy bums, and most Jews I know work quite hard
Mike
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richardh
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:12 PM |
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agree with jeff above, Even perhaps we send the ones over here already on benfits back bloody home and then bill their government for the flight or
boat.........................
Time for a change!
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by lewis
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
A simpler answer would be to refuse to issue work visas to foreign nationals until there was 0% unemployment in the UK. Why are we importing labour
when we have a perfectly good (in most cases) workforce on benefits. Retrain them if necessary but don't import cheap labour from, primarily,
the Indian subcontinent until there are a surplus of jobs.
+1
the hotel industry, take aways, restaurants would all be screwed as bristish people think they are too good for these jobs (not all, before someone
shouts at me for that)
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Alfa145
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:17 PM |
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I think the people concerned might throw that wonderful thing called "the human rights act" in the face of anyone trying to force that on
them
As for stopping foreign nationals coming in, we joined Europe so they aren't classed as foreign and are welcome to come and take our jobs.
[Edited on 21/9/11 by Alfa145]
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macc man
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:18 PM |
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I think to give an incentive to work, any benifit paid should depend on the amount paid into the system over the years by way of tax and National
insurace. Those who have paid the most will receive the most. If you give everyone the same amount you will not get the lazy out of bed as they are no
worse off. Just an idea.
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jossey
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:36 PM |
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QUOTE MIKE FELLOWS.
Oh i love it when stuff gets taken in the wrong light.
how about a compromise.
>6 months plus then manatory work pro rata'd on the days you work.
EG work 5 days get 100% of your weekly money (£50 i think) do 7 days get £70
do 1 day get £10
Problem solved. Next i need to solve povety......
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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chris mason
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 03:37 PM |
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Some good points above.
I may have not made it clear above, they would only receive the benefits they get now, but for working instead, that way the cost to government is
purely material costs, the labour is technically free, as we would be paying these people anyway.
I've no idea what the current rate of benefits is, but someone local too us seems to be doing well out of the system 
But lets say for instance the minimum wage was £6 and they currently get £180 pw in benefits, then they would have too work a minimum of 30 hours too
secure their benefits, any less and they would receive less.
This would allow the enthusiastic workers time to secure job interviews etc on the day/s they wouldn't be working.
Come too think of it, it's a system similar to the community hours criminals have too do, only on a much larger and more profitable scale for
the goverment.
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RK
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 04:23 PM |
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You can't export all the manufacturing and expect you have people left to buy things. This is the big mistake a lot of western countries made,
especially the US, who continue to blame China for everything. The Americans are the ones who went there to set up cheap factories, and then blamed
the Chinese when they had no jobs left to buy the stuff made. Add a war or two, and you end up where we are.
I like your idea, but then it's your country.
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morcus
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 04:32 PM |
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For the record being 'work shy' was an offence that put people in concentration camps in Nazi Germany.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 05:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeFellows
quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
Mr fellows, before you make sweeping statements like that, perhaps you should try being unemployed with a family to support. it's no joke for
decent human beings.
To keep foreign imports down, tha US Govt uses slave labour to make white goods. Prisoners are forced to work manufacturing these items or face
solitary confinement for the term of their sentence.
Edited to say: Just in case you think I am a bleeding heart. The prisoners are all voluteers, or they wouldn't be there in the first place.
As for 'gassing them all'. . . . Have you wanted to be in the Gestapo for long then?
[Edited on 21/9/11 by Confused but excited.]
you obvioulsy didnt take my comments in the light hearted manner they where meant, but still some truths persist.
I have been on the dole, I dont have a family to support. But when/If I do plan a family I will ensure I can afford to look after them before I
randomly knock them out (not saying this is what you did before you have a go at me for that too)
given my way you wouldnt get a single penny from the goverment after six months, im sick to death of hearing people tell me there are no jobs, what
they mean is there are no jobs they like the sound of or can be arsed to do.
I run my own business now having being made redundant 3 years ago, if the IT sector fell apart tomorrow and didn't exist, I guarantee by next
week I would be doing something that makes me money - its not hard, just most cant be arsed
really the Gestapo? they gassed Jews not lazy bums, and most Jews I know work quite hard
Mike
If I misunderstood your intent then I apologise.
I spent quite a long time being unemployed after a car smash that resulted in partial amnesia, thus rendering my qualifications null and void, not
because I am a lazy bum ( I have spent months on end working seven, eighteen hour days, so object to being catagorised as a lazy bum, because I once
spent more than six months on the dole) I even tried to get labouring work but couldn't get a start "because you are too
qualified".
I had my children before this event and didn't knock them out on the dole.
Like you, I started my own business because no one would give me a start.
Interesting to know that if you had been in charge I would have been gassed before I had the chance to start up a business and employ several other
people that were unemployed. Nes' pas?
Oh, by the way I'm disabled now, so would you like to gas me for being unemployed and useless?
Well I say unemployed, I did OK and retired at 48.
[Edited on 21/9/11 by Confused but excited.]
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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l0rd
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 05:27 PM |
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Hear this
Unemployed with loads of qualifications and living in Greece.
I rest my case...................
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steve m
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 05:40 PM |
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Bring back the chain gang, as in prison work,
Chain the buggers up, and let them clean the ditches/sewers up !!
ive never been to prison, or actually done anything that would remotly send me close !!
but 99% of them in there must be fit and well enough to do some real hard work somewere in our country
if they can not, then they should be stuck in the gas chamber (joke joke joke !!!)
Think of the cost saving !
and leave the unemployed alone, as i do know a few, and they have it real hard
smoking pot, getting pissed, and telling me im a real mug for working!
and as for the one guy i know who claims disabilty allowance for having IBS, dont even let me start, as he is on one very sticky part at the moment,
for claiming (we believe) 270k in the last 21-23 years, yet he runs a a buisness from home
and some one has shopped him, wasnt me, as i didnt even know he was claiming
i I have never been unemployed, (yet) yet have been made redundent twice, yet managed to source a job within my notice period, yes i do have sympathy
for folk who live in an area that has mass unemployed, that must be a nightmare
and i really do have sympathy, but there must be a way of them contributing to the countrys welfare while sitting at home and being paid for doing
nothing
Steve
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JoelP
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 06:02 PM |
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the biggest change needed is to firstly simplify the benefit system. It should be a simple payment for job seekers allowance, not a case of once you
are on the dole you get everything paid for (ie council tax, dental costs etc). They should budget like anyone else. Im all for cutting payments after
6 months, and also being made to work either before or after that point. It would need to be work that doesnt need close supervision and also work
that cannot be done badly. Or just introduce a flogging for shoddy work. It goes without saying that the Human Rights Act would be majorly
rewritten.
Also a more robust legal system to deal with repeat offenders/ career criminals.
I could go on all day.
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blakep82
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 06:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeFellows
ive sussed it, on the dole for > 6 months and you get put down. I would happliy volunteer to gas them all
charming...
I'm not lazy, I've been working hard looking for work for just about 6 months now, had 100s of applications in and only been called for 2
interviews. fingers crossed i got the last job i applied for. should hear back by the end of this week. part time, but its the best i can find. its
not easy these days. I'd love to go self employed, with no capital to start up with, its a long process before most people can start making
money.
If you're so great, then why were you on the dole?
narrow minded people that can't see past their own front door. they're the ones that should be gassed. Steve hignett's in much the
same situation now too. i'm sure he'll be very pleased with your views.
personally, i've been working since i was 16, i'm nearly 29 now, so 12 years paying into the system there to protect me, why
shouldn't i take so of my money back out of it?
[Edited on 21/9/11 by blakep82]
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