david_hornet27
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 09:00 PM |
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The future state of welfare benefit
Watching it now and it's making my blood boil. Working until 9pm tonight after a 12 hour day only to come home and be confronted with these
lazy bast&rds spending my hard earned tax.
I understand there are people who really do try hard to find a job and these guys deserve our support, but there is a hardcore who will never work and
it is pretty obvious who they are.
One of these guys is being paid £2300 a month housing benefit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Twice as much as my mortgage!
SO STOP THEIR BENEFITS UNLESS THEY DO 40 HOURS PER WEEK CLEANING THE STREETS OR SOMETHING!!!!!!!
'If everything seems under control you're just not going fast enough' - Mario Andretti
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JoelP
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 09:02 PM |
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+1
If its so obvious to us, why can politicians not see it and realise something is amiss with the system?
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MikeR
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 09:04 PM |
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I don't agree - they should do some work but not 40 hours, we want them to find paid for work and they need some time to do that.
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david_hornet27
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 09:09 PM |
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My point is these hardcore are not looking for work full stop and will never look for work as they have got used to being looked after. At least get
them doing some good for the system that is supporting them rather than letting them spiral into a never ending abyss of 'take take
take'.
Edited to say...
I totally understand there are plenty of people who are unemployed that have worked a good chunk of their lives and contributed to the safety net they
so rightly receive.
However there are a large number that have never worked a day in their lives the lazy fu*kers.
[Edited on 27/10/11 by david_hornet27]
[Edited on 27/10/11 by david_hornet27]
'If everything seems under control you're just not going fast enough' - Mario Andretti
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BigFaceDave
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 09:12 PM |
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I only saw 30 seconds of it and had to turn it off before I threw something at the telly! 
I think its obvious what the answer as far as the leadership of the country we need to set up the LCB party!
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bi22le
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 09:19 PM |
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Can I be transport minister?
I recon I can make this country move freely. . .
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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monck
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 09:29 PM |
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I had to switch over as-well
makes your blood boil !!
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mark chandler
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 09:29 PM |
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Watched something a few years ago, couple of young girls in Manchester....
There aim in life was to get pregnant at 16, they could then secure a council house and move out from home but were a bit worried about thier bodies
so were smoking as this is supposed to give you smaller babies.
It does make your blood boil, however you have to qualify this thought when you consider thier future is so bleak for them that's all the
ambition they have.
That said, all the time the state encourages larger families to get the better benefits then it just gets out of control, they could do a few simple
measures like no additional benefits for more than 2 children, I am sure there is a big flaw in any plan like this though.
I work hard, have only been unemployed for 2 weeks in my life so never claimed benefit. Have just been informed my pension scheme will no longer be
final salary but average of working life and retirement moved from 60 to 65 so stuff like this makes me sick.... These people will just milk the
system until they die
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 10:04 PM |
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Missed it -is it likely to be repeated ??
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austin man
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 10:35 PM |
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Having worked in this arena with unemployed for 13 years you would be horrified at what some claimants receive also horrified that many refuse work
continually because its not something they want to do. I appreciate that we all should have a degree of what we want to do, however there should be a
cut of point where this option is taken away.
I have seen a £27k job refused on the grounds that it may take an hour to get to work in the winter months I could go on.
It appear far easier for governments to raise the taxes on items predominantley accessed by those working ie petrol, rather than focusing on the
problem.
Imagine if they decreased the taxes we would all have additional spare income to purchase items which in turn would generate more sales requiring more
sales people. Items would need to be manufactured increasing jobs in manufacturing then delivered / stored so increasing roles in warehousing .
For a country so far advanced we remain behind many other countries. For a high proportion of claimants the benefits system is an entitlement for an
individual Living alone they will receive approximately £160 per week when taking account of housing benefits and tax rebates that is over £200 before
tax oh and they dont have to do a days work.
The hard done to ones are those falling out of work redundancy sickness etc who in many cases are entitled to less despite paying in to the system for
years.
Rant over
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 10:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by david_hornet27
Watching it now and it's making my blood boil. Working until 9pm tonight after a 12 hour day only to come home and be confronted with these
lazy bast&rds spending my hard earned tax.
I understand there are people who really do try hard to find a job and these guys deserve our support, but there is a hardcore who will never work and
it is pretty obvious who they are.
One of these guys is being paid £2300 a month housing benefit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Twice as much as my mortgage!
SO STOP THEIR BENEFITS UNLESS THEY DO 40 HOURS PER WEEK CLEANING THE STREETS OR SOMETHING!!!!!!!
Your mortgage is twice mine!
Makes me want to go in there and demand all this... Only because I've worked more than a day in my life I can shove benefits where the sun
shineth not...
That's what happened last time I found myself out of a job, so I really annoyed them by asking for a form for EVERY benefit they do. I even told
them to double-check that they had given me all of them after arguing that they can advise me what I'm entitled to (only they can't, they
said so themselves)
At the end of it missus told them thankyou for making a stressful situation ten times worse, and I told them if I ever find myself in this position
again I'm going thieving.
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cerbera
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| posted on 27/10/11 at 10:55 PM |
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They should be made to work. Litter picking, grafitti cleaning, park / gardens maintenance anything so they can learn the value of money!
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jeffw
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| posted on 28/10/11 at 05:42 AM |
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And what about the people who the local councils employ to pick up litter & clean graffiti....are we going to sack them and put them on
benefits?
There isn't an easy answer to this (and never has been) but we must cap housing benefits to ensure the private landlords are not ripping the
system off. We must ensure that benefits are not high enough to put people off going to work but also that there is enough money to ensure the safety
net.
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Dave Ashurst
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| posted on 28/10/11 at 05:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andybarbet
Missed it -is it likely to be repeated ??
it's on bbc iplayer for a week
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D Beddows
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| posted on 28/10/11 at 07:46 AM |
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I've never understood how people manage to get paid so much in benefits........ I was unemployed most of last year and for the 1st 36 weeks (if
I remember correctly) I got £35ish a week and my council tax paid for and that was it........ shortly before the 36 weeks were up Mrs Beddows left
work and went onto maternity benefit which was I think £120 a week (and again we didn't pay council tax) BUT that was all we could get for the
two of us mostly because I'd earned far too much the year before which obviously was f*ck all help at the time because all that money had long
gone. So we were expected to pay all bills/mortgage/food etc etc on roughly £150 a week. This year I have a job again so you'd think I'd
be getting a decent amount of family tax credit because I earned' s*d all last year.......... nope, because I will earn £10k more than I did
last year I get b*gger all again.......... remind me again why I pay so much in National Insurance every month? especially now it appears the health
service is being funded by a lottery...........
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bobinspain
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| posted on 28/10/11 at 08:09 AM |
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There are 'professional benefit claimants' who know every trick in the book. (My bro-in-law's one of them). 5 kids, wife off sick
(permanently, depression). He gets carer's allowance and gawd knows what else? In all, he receives around £35k pa in benefits, smokes, runs a
car etc etc.
It makes me sick. He should be lashed.
Worse still are the immigrant gravy-train merchants. The tinted bretheren are past-masters at milking the system, and boy! do they do just that? I had
a pal who went for a job at the benefit centre, he was white and grossly over-qualified for the £12k pa post. However, he was rejected as he
couldn't speak Urdu. (this was in Burnley!)
If you want to 'see the future' just google Demographic_problem.wmv Now that's scary 
Incidentally, I watched the John Humphry programme with my 16 year old son who was appalled at the state of affairs in UK. He related the Ecuadorian
family's position in London to a Morrocci familiy in Madrid. "£2,300 a month in housing benefits? No chance!"
[Edited on 28/10/11 by bobinspain]
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ed1max
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| posted on 28/10/11 at 09:50 AM |
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The other side of the coin
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8853761/FTSE-100-directors-pay-jumps-49pc.html
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JoelP
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| posted on 28/10/11 at 11:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
And what about the people who the local councils employ to pick up litter & clean graffiti....are we going to sack them and put them on
benefits?
There isn't an easy answer to this (and never has been) but we must cap housing benefits to ensure the private landlords are not ripping the
system off. We must ensure that benefits are not high enough to put people off going to work but also that there is enough money to ensure the safety
net.
Your point would be valid if the council was 'on top' of litter and graffiti, however they arent. There are countless places in leeds that
need litter removing, council employees only seem to do the streets and parks.
And one could also list many other jobs that would help society, such as simple gardening jobs for local elderly people etc.
The fact is, if we (taxpayers) are paying them a wage, we may as well have some work out of them for it.
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Irony
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| posted on 28/10/11 at 11:59 AM |
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I agree that to obtain Job Seekers allowance/benefits the seemingly perpetually unemployed should be made to work 2-3 days a week. The person above
who says 'what about the people the council employs to clean up litter etc' is just plain wrong. Give me a hour, a pen and a clipboard
and I'll come up with months of work for the perpetually unemployed. Canals need cleaning, fences need painting, allotments need digging.
Mowing, weeding, cleaning, scrubbing, polishing etc etc etc scraping chewing gum off the floors!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need some sort of government scheme that employs a group of very practical 'team leaders' who can take said people around the local
area and just work. Our government will likely bodge something like that up with red tape and useless feasability studies
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 28/10/11 at 07:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
And what about the people who the local councils employ to pick up litter & clean graffiti....are we going to sack them and put them on
benefits?
There isn't an easy answer to this (and never has been) but we must cap housing benefits to ensure the private landlords are not ripping the
system off. We must ensure that benefits are not high enough to put people off going to work but also that there is enough money to ensure the safety
net.
There's enough pot hole in the road from last winter that our local council haven't got around to filling , they could start on those!!
Or cleaning our hospitals properly ! Why should we pay taxes when they are too lazy to get off their backsides and do a days work??
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