tegwin
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 06:12 PM |
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Sticking steel together
I am in the process of building a little sterling engine for my old mans Christmas present... Machining the parts is causing me grief, but I will get
there eventually..
One issue I have.... The crank of the engine is 8mm silver steel rod. I need to attach a 2mm thick steel plate at one end to take the end of the
conrod.
These parts are might small so i cant really MIG them....
In a basic workshop with no access to oxyascethylene (SP?) how can I join them together to give a strong result?
I did try soft solder, but that was a silly idea......
Parts are a bit like this:
[Edited on 2/12/11 by tegwin]
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HowardB
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 06:22 PM |
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brazing is the best thing, if not silver solder them,...
hthBrazing
Howard
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Wadders
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 06:23 PM |
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Silver Solder would probably do it.
Al
Originally posted by tegwin
I am in the process of building a little sterling engine for my old mans Christmas present... Machining the parts is causing me grief, but I will get
there eventually..
One issue I have.... The crank of the engine is 8mm silver steel rod. I need to attach a 2mm thick steel plate at one end to take the end of the
conrod.
These parts are might small so i cant really MIG them....
In a basic workshop with no access to oxyascethylene (SP?) how can I join them together to give a strong result?
I did try soft solder, but that was a silly idea......
Parts are a bit like this:
[Edited on 2/12/11 by tegwin]
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tegwin
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 06:26 PM |
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Was thinking silver solder/braze.. but what sort of heat source am I going to need?
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owelly
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 06:31 PM |
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Silver soldering (or hard soldering) likes to be up around 450*C. You could do it with one of those butane pen torchy things if the parts are small
enough to get hot.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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r1_pete
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 06:32 PM |
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Can you get a good interference fit, and use a dab of loctite?
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 06:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
Can you get a good interference fit, and use a dab of loctite?
It doesn't need to be an interference fit for loctite, just a good one - the wheels of the 5" gauge loco I built with my dad twenty-odd
years ago are loctited to the axles.
Alternatively, make it an interference fit, freeze the rod and bake the plate and then assemble quickly.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 06:49 PM |
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Loctite 610 (I think) will fix something like that - and you'll only get it apart with a blow-torch!
I used it to fix the wheels on my 5" gauge steam loco...
An alternative would be to make a thread on the end of the rods, a matching thread in the flat bit, THEN use threadlock to hold it together.
Ha! Snap!
In fact, you don't want too good a fit for Loctite - it needs a thou or so to work. Make it too tight and you just push the Loctite out of the
joint.
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fazerruss
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 07:23 PM |
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Drill the hole slightly undersize, then put a slight taper on the shaft then warm up that end with a blow torch.
Knock the shaft in with a hammer leaving a mm or so stuck out then turn over and tap the tapered end to a mushroom like riveting a steam boiler to
lock it in.
will never shift then.
Russ
"if assholes could fly this place would be an airport"
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 08:16 PM |
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I would make the hole an interference fit, press the shaft in and peen the plate to squeeze the rod in place.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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paulf
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 10:58 PM |
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I would silver solder it, you will manage with a diy type blow lamp with butane propane mix gas.The other way I would do it if not able to solder it
would be to turn the end of the shaft down to 6mm cut a thread on it and tap the plate then assemble with loctite , a plain shaft and hole would
probably work but I prefer to use a thread just to be certain that it never comes apart.
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tegwin
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 11:51 PM |
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What exactly do you mean by silver solder? I have standard plumbers solder... I can also get hold of fluxxed brazing rods. But I can nto find silver
solder in any of the usual places.. (machine mart, tool station, screwfix)
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owelly
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 01:16 AM |
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http://www.thewelderswarehouse.com/Welding/Flux_Coated_55__Silver_Solder.html
Most welding suppliers should have it.
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iank
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 08:50 AM |
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Cromwell also do it, but more expensive than the welders warehouse.
http://www.cromwell.co.uk/quicksearch?search=silver+solder&x=0&y=0
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designer
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 09:22 AM |
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Braze or silver solder, that's what I do on my live steam stuff.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 09:37 AM |
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SILVER SOLDER RODS X 5 SILVERFLO 55 | eBay
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 11:32 AM |
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Trouble with silver solder is you need the special flux, which adds to the cost.
I'd consider brazing, especially if you can get the fluxed rods.
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tegwin
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 03:14 PM |
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Popped to the local welding place and machine mart this morning.
Picked up a nice small focused gas torch, some flux and a silver solder rod (£8!!!!) Gave it a go, hard to keep it looking tidy, but seems plenty
strong enough :-)
Need to mail order some more silver solder rods from somewhere cheaper, but for the time being... I am getting there :-)
Thanks all
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iank
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 04:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
Popped to the local welding place and machine mart this morning.
Picked up a nice small focused gas torch, some flux and a silver solder rod (£8!!!!) Gave it a go, hard to keep it looking tidy, but seems plenty
strong enough :-)
Need to mail order some more silver solder rods from somewhere cheaper, but for the time being... I am getting there :-)
Thanks all
The rods are expensive because they are around 40-50% silver.
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