James
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 04:45 PM |
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O/T: PVC door security
Bit of an O/T one but don't want to get this wrong! 
Want to buy new back and front PVC-type doors for my house, the back one will need to be a 'half glass' type as it needs a bloomin cat
flap in it, not sure about design of the front door yet.
Security is important. My friend replaced the locks on his B&Q doors (from where I was thinking of getting mine) to make them more secure.
What's the story with PVC door security? The standard is 'Euro-cylinder' right? Do you then choose 5-cylinder barrels (or otherwise)
as you would with a standard wooden door? I was always told Yale were the best for normal doors- are they the standard for Euro-cylinder.
Are these worth lookign at?
http://www.handlestore.com/category/Thumbturn-Door-Locks/0/
And can you fit those door pins top and bottom with a PVC door? Or is there an alternative?
Are the B&Q doors terrible or insecure or anything? How important are the hinges themselves in this? PVC hinges always seem to be
'outside' the door which would suggest they could be 'crowbarred' off and the door opened that way.
I don't really have much worth stealing (my most valuable possesion is a nearly 4-year old 32" TV!  ) but would really rather not get
broken into and our back garden is easily accessible to strangers. 
Thanks,
James
[Edited on 26/1/12 by James]
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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jossey
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 04:58 PM |
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2 things if you ask me ...
http://www.upvcspares4repairs.co.uk/abs-door-cylinder/Avocet-ABS-Anti-Snap-Anti-bump-Lock-Cylinders-Chrome-High-Security.htm?utm_source=googlemerchant
&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=googlemerchant
The thumb locks you have put the link to are fine. But you need to get the anti snap bunp etc ones.....
the anti slip lock as above. screwfix sell em for £30 ish. or get the door company to add them for you.
Try get the version with the twist lock in the inside of the door so you dont leave keys in the door. as they normally have car keys and your cat flap
is an invitation for someone to get the keys.
next is the sash jammers which you use when in the house to dead lock the door even if its unlocked.
Some people get steel frame UPVC doors etc if you want to go mad.
[Edited on 26/1/12 by jossey]
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 05:12 PM |
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as a person who was broken into just over a year ago & 11k audi and 5k of contents while we were asleep upstars due to the weakness in eurolocks
and door handles. Do your home work they peeled the handle up and snapped the euro lock
we ended up with
cisa astral s ( anti bump / anti snap ) locks
Hoppe Pas 024 security Handle
Sash jammers on all doors but Main
also fitted alarm and CCTV
Regards
Agriv8
[Edited on 26/1/12 by Agriv8]
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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nick205
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 05:27 PM |
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Worth speaking to your insurer or checking with insurance bodies to see what they recommend?
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Wadders
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 05:53 PM |
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IMHO UPVC door panels are so easily kicked in, the lock is the least of your worries.... I had one of these fitted, not cheap but much more secure.
http://www.rockdoor.com/
Al.
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owelly
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 06:05 PM |
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I was helping a builder mate to finish off a barn conversion. The owners had spent a fortune on door security as the place was a holiday house. The
uPVC door frames had steel inner frames and so did the doors. The locks engaged four pins on each side of the door and two pins on the top, and the
same on the bottom. Once the door fitters had left, we had no keys to get back in! It took us about 20 seconds to pop out a double glazed window next
to the door.
Your house is only as secure as its weakest point!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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A1
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 06:29 PM |
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call me traditional, but whats wrong with good old wooden doors?
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HowardB
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 09:25 PM |
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get a grp door, I think they are much better
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again and goes zoom)
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 10:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
Bit of an O/T one but don't want to get this wrong!
Want to buy new back and front PVC-type doors for my house, the back one will need to be a 'half glass' type as it needs a bloomin cat
flap in it
You don't have to have half-glass type. If you speak to the door suppliers or to a glazing company, you can have a double glazed unit made with
a hole for a cat-flap. They cut the hole before the glass is toughened and then make up the glazing unit.
Another alternative is to buy a cat flap and an extension tunnel and fit it through a wall.
I've even heard of one fitted through a wall, with a long extension tunnel running right through a kitchen cupboard and another flap on the
cupboard door - good for reducing draughts too!
SteveW
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JoelP
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 10:11 PM |
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I was under the impression that those thumb turn locks arent approved by insurance companies, ie cannot be used on an external door. Reading through
the FAQs, thats actually what they say! How can they possible be selling them as high spec locks when they admit that they are actually no good?
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T66
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| posted on 26/1/12 at 10:31 PM |
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Burglars will take the simplest easiest path into your house, thats why most tend to be via insecure doors & windows.
Keys left on display is very tempting, do the house and fill your car up to leave in it.
UPVC doors and windows are much much better than they used to be, get what you pay for. Most of the plastic doors Ive seen opened, have generally been
opened with a boot, or ocassionally skill, leaving very few marks on the plastic.
But knocking doors makes noise, so they have to be 100% your not in, unless you live in a high crime area, when they will just take the chance your
out.
Windows whether plastic or wood open a lot easier and quieter, and generally with something you left in the garden. Trowels, rake,spade,fork etc
So they dont even need to carry a jemmy and wear a stripy jumper
Your more likely to get screwed by an insecure window in my experience, than a noisy door or the smashing of glass.
So then - your back garden is fairly secure, so concentrate on the front. If you live in a high crime area? Then a good quality hardwood frame &
door. Hardwood door on a softwood frame opens in one or two boots....so useless
Fit it with some quality mortise locks into steel catchers in your hardwood frame, and you will be fine.
Windows whether plastic or wood can be retrofitted with decent quality locks. Alarms are not much use, unless the line is monitored.
Dont sit waiting to get your house burgled, your garage, your car or your shed are far more likely to get screwed, as there generally isnt mad axemen
living in them. Houses are different as they dont know who lives in them, and how sharp your axe is.
IE they are poo scared of confrontation, 100% of the time. Escape routes/egress is all arranged prior to settling into stealing your kit, sofa across
the living room door, windows opened to jump out of etc.
If theres not much crime where you live, just raise your game and take the usual precautions without spending.
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