mookaloid
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 07:42 PM |
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not a football fan but
This has cheered me up
Capello quits news linky 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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Coopz
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 07:46 PM |
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Thank god for that! Bring in the Tax Dodger Redknapp...Oh wait he's not guilty 
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karlak
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 07:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Coopz
Thank god for that! Bring in the Tax Dodger Redknapp...Oh wait he's not guilty
Noooo, Leave Harry alone.. He is doing wonders down the lane... 
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Simon
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 08:17 PM |
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Why did whathisface quit; just because the FA didn't like his comments. Pathetic.
When I had bosses and didn't like what they were doing I'd tell them so, I didn't have to resign because of it!
ATB
Simon
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mookaloid
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 08:22 PM |
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personally I think he has taken the mick ever since he started in the job.
can we have someone English to manage the England team now please?
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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AndyW
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 08:35 PM |
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I dont think it matters who is in charge, we will build our national team up just to be left dissapointed again
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daniel mason
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 08:41 PM |
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english?
like graham taylor,(turnip head) steve mclaren,(wally with the brolly) do me a favour.
FA should have left the decision to fabio end of. they undermined him so he quit! i cant think of one english manager with a winning pedigree?
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 09:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
english?
like graham taylor,(turnip head) steve mclaren,(wally with the brolly) do me a favour.
FA should have left the decision to fabio end of. they undermined him so he quit! i cant think of one english manager with a winning pedigree?
This bloke?
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mookaloid
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 09:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
english?
like graham taylor,(turnip head) steve mclaren,(wally with the brolly) do me a favour.
FA should have left the decision to fabio end of. they undermined him so he quit! i cant think of one english manager with a winning pedigree?
You have to be English to play for England - it's not a winning team all that often but we field the best team we can. We should also field the
best English manager that we can. Personally I think the national team is about national pride - how can we have that when it's not one of our
countrymen in charge?
Maybe it's just me...
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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daniel mason
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 09:42 PM |
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What about the cricket team then? Number one test nation ( or we were until last week) loads of S/A born players and a foreign coach. Am sure even
some of the secondary coaches are foreign! I do understand the national pride but our players aren't good enough, neither are our managers
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loggyboy
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| posted on 8/2/12 at 09:44 PM |
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Seems a waste to me. A similar thing happened with Sven.
Cappelo was a good manager with an excellent pedigree whose moulded the team to the point where winning lots with some half decent tournement results
and then they either sack them or interfere to the point they quit! Now we have to start from near scratch just at the beginning of a big tournament.
Players will be pissed as will most of the fans, especially with the invevitble crap result this summer we'll end up with now!
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orton1966
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 06:27 AM |
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Football V's Fatcat
Here’s what makes me laugh, another England Manager walks/is sacked (who knows!) pocketing a golden goodbye, £1.5 million according to some sources
and people hardly mention the money. What did Sven pocket, several times that?
Yet the hounds are out for leaders of big companies, especially the banks, if their managers' are offered anything! Just for further info, when
a football player is quoted as earning £100k plus per week, that figure is after tax!! Because when his agent negotiates the contract it’s all about
what he “actually” wants not what it costs the club, hence it was the clubs wincing when the 50% tax rate was re-introduced.
So simple maths: a £120k per week (take home) footballer actually earns about £250k per week or £1 million per month, £12 million per year
Now I’ve nothing against success being rewarded but those inflated players (and managers) wages do cost almost everyone in the country something,
either by; inflated TV subscriptions, ticket prices, shirts for fans and plenty of other things.
I only say the above because last week I came into work to find lads in the workshop chomping their gums about the fat-cat banker and his “disgusting
bonus”, several of these lads have season tickets to follow their football team, pay for sky etc. and they also consistently berate their team for not
spending more on new players etc..
Who’s worth more a man who kicks a bladder of air several times a week or the people responsible for running big companies, arguably both are surposed
to be talented and both at the top of their trade!
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karlak
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 07:36 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by orton1966
Here’s what makes me laugh, another England Manager walks/is sacked (who knows!) pocketing a golden goodbye, £1.5 million according to some sources
and people hardly mention the money. What did Sven pocket, several times that?
Yet the hounds are out for leaders of big companies, especially the banks, if their managers' are offered anything! Just for further info, when
a football player is quoted as earning £100k plus per week, that figure is after tax!! Because when his agent negotiates the contract it’s all about
what he “actually” wants not what it costs the club, hence it was the clubs wincing when the 50% tax rate was re-introduced.
So simple maths: a £120k per week (take home) footballer actually earns about £250k per week or £1 million per month, £12 million per year
Now I’ve nothing against success being rewarded but those inflated players (and managers) wages do cost almost everyone in the country something,
either by; inflated TV subscriptions, ticket prices, shirts for fans and plenty of other things.
I only say the above because last week I came into work to find lads in the workshop chomping their gums about the fat-cat banker and his “disgusting
bonus”, several of these lads have season tickets to follow their football team, pay for sky etc. and they also consistently berate their team for not
spending more on new players etc..
Who’s worth more a man who kicks a bladder of air several times a week or the people responsible for running big companies, arguably both are surposed
to be talented and both at the top of their trade!
Isnt the difference that Football is a "lifestyle" choice and is funded from the Fans and Sponsor's ? If tomorrow, everyone
decided that football was crap and decided to stop watching and buying merchandise, then the whole thing would collapse.
Banks on the other hand have been built into a massive business off the back of borrowing and greed. Yes, some people may and could choose not to use
a bank, but for the vast majority of folk a bank is a necessity. I have to use a bank because that is how my salary is paid, therefore they profit
from my forced business.
Dont get me wrong, some of the footballers salaries are outrageous, but at least their tax's are going into the system I guess.
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jeffw
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 08:00 AM |
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Unless their name is Redknapp and they have a pet dog...
I do think it is ironic that one part of business which brings into this country a staggering amount of money is pilloried whereas another, spectator
sport, which seems to be funded from rich foreigners pockets at a loss is lauded for the money it pays its staff. Having said all of that you should
see what non-playing staff get paid at these clubs...not a lot.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 08:09 AM |
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there is a very clear difference between banks and football tho. we own (not thru our choice) the banks, hence the uproar. the players are paid what
the teams can afford, and they can afford it as people are willing (stupid enough imo) to pay for them.
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jeffw
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 09:07 AM |
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I think you will find that the clubs can't afford the inflated salaries hence the need for foreign owners (like Manchester City, Chelsea etc
etc) who plough £100M into the clubs to win a pot. Spectators receipts, TV coverage or memorabilia sales don't cover the costs of running these
clubs.
Only 2 of the major banks have part state ownership. RBS because it was going bust and Lloyds Banking Group because it was persuaded by the last
Government to take on HBOS which was going down. Lloyds TSB itself didn't need state funding. HSBC & Barclays never took any money from
the government.
Capello got £6Million a year for 4 years and a £1.5 Million golden goodbye....and who funds the English FA?
[Edited on 9/2/12 by jeffw]
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karlak
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 09:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
.and who funds the English FA?
[Edited on 9/2/12 by jeffw]
Best I could find was --
The FA's main commercial asset is its ownership of the rights to England internationals and the FA Cup. Turnover for the year ending 31 December
2004 was £206.1 million, of which £176.9 million came from broadcasting and sponsorship. Its other sources of income include gate receipts from
English internationals, payments from FIFA and UEFA relating to England's participation in international competitions, and sundry minor sources
of income. The FA owns the new Wembley Stadium, which opened in 2006, via its subsidiary Wembley National Stadium Limited. For the 4 seasons from 2008
to 2012, the FA has secured £425 million from ITV and Setanta for England and FA Cup games domestic television rights, a 42% increase over the
previous contract, and £145 million for overseas television rights, up 272% on the £39 million received for the previous four-year period.
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scootz
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 10:20 AM |
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Absolute nuts! Capello is one of the finest managers in the game, yet he's been sold short by the FA who didn't have the balls to support
him against the national press (who clearly don't want a 'Jonny Foreigner' running the national team).
Capello was right about the Terry situation. Yes, JT is a horrible ****, but he's not been convicted of anything. He therefore shouldn't
be stripped of the Captaincy on the basis of allegation just because the tabloids demanded it! If the FA had said instead that they were stripping
him just because he's a horrible ****, then that would have been fine in my (and I guess most peoples) book. Probably even Capello's.
As for the Stephen Hester situation... again - red-top hysteria! The bank was on it's knees and they head-hunted someone to sort out the mess.
Hester signed up for the thankless task and negotiated a package which contained bonus 'triggers' if certain targets were met. No-one
complained at this point. He then worked his socks off and hits those targets. Good work fella... don't you think!? Er, apparently not!!!
Why shouldn't he be paid what his contract stipulated? He didn't take on the job out of the goodness of his heart. Would the holier than
thou brigade be so ready to hand back a bonus? I think not!
It's Evolution Baby!
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 10:44 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
I think you will find that the clubs can't afford the inflated salaries hence the need for foreign owners (like Manchester City, Chelsea etc
etc) who plough £100M into the clubs to win a pot. Spectators receipts, TV coverage or memorabilia sales don't cover the costs of running these
clubs.
How they spend their money is up to them, if it doesnt cost me anything then let them get on with it!
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
Only 2 of the major banks have part state ownership. RBS because it was going bust and Lloyds Banking Group because it was persuaded by the last
Government to take on HBOS which was going down. Lloyds TSB itself didn't need state funding. HSBC & Barclays never took any money from
the government.
It was only the RBS bonues that everyone was complaning about, so I fail to see what your point is here.
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
Capello got £6Million a year for 4 years and a £1.5 Million golden goodbye....and who funds the English FA?
Its a business, its not a goverenment run organisation so taxpayers dont thats for sure!
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jeffw
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 11:00 AM |
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The RBS bonus to Steven Hestor was a contractual obligation which was triggered by the companies performance. The English FA is the holder of the
rights to the England team....it is as much a commercial organisation as say the BBC. The national football team is not a commercial asset in the
same way as Manchester United because it belongs to all of us (assuming you are English) and can't be sold on.
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bobinspain
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 11:52 AM |
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Hobby horse of mine: greed in football that'll end up eating itself.
50 yrs ago the maximum wage of £20 a week was abolished for professional footballers. Johnny Haynes (according to Pele, "the finest passer of a
football in the game" found his wage went up five-fold overnight.
£100 a week equates to around £4,000 a week at today's rates, so how come Rooney and other single-figure IQ footballers with the morals of sewer
rats are being paid 50 times that?
The answer is that unless there's a benefactor with bottomless pockets (Sheik Yermoney or whoever) then it's the poor old supporters who
have to stump up their hard-earned, either at the turnstiles or via their SkySport subscription.
Anyway, I'm off to collect my car from the importers. 
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 12:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain
The answer is that unless there's a benefactor with bottomless pockets (Sheik Yermoney or whoever) then it's the poor old supporters who
have to stump up their hard-earned, either at the turnstiles or via their SkySport subscription.
Poor old? but they pay it - in their millions! Supply and demand - the demand is there, prices go up. If people didnt show up, or buy the latest
shirts, or pay for subsciptions they would be forced to lower the prices. Its a vicous circle I know, but even if players wages were regulated, I
doubt you would see a significant reduction in gate prices or replica shirts.
[Edited on 9/2/12 by loggyboy]
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 06:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain
The answer is that unless there's a benefactor with bottomless pockets (Sheik Yermoney or whoever) then it's the poor old supporters who
have to stump up their hard-earned, either at the turnstiles or via their SkySport subscription.
Poor old? but they pay it - in their millions! Supply and demand - the demand is there, prices go up. If people didnt show up, or buy the latest
shirts, or pay for subsciptions they would be forced to lower the prices. Its a vicous circle I know, but even if players wages were regulated, I
doubt you would see a significant reduction in gate prices or replica shirts.
[Edited on 9/2/12 by loggyboy]
You would if the average attendance went below 5k for a season! What's the smallest premiership stadium atm?
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 07:59 PM |
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Just another Italian deserting a sinking ship~??
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