britishtrident
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 04:15 PM |
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Ebola ---should we increase our border checks?
Ebola ---should we increase our border checks? and or stop direct flights?
Also should we stop bringing back infected heath or aid workers to the UK?
[I] What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Texan
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 04:29 PM |
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Speaking as someone who lives in the DFW area I's say YES!
I drive therefore I am.
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Badger_McLetcher
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 05:06 PM |
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Respectively yes, yes and no.
Direct flights is an obvious one, the threat posed by someone slipping in under the radar is less so I'd imagine as they would be obviously ill
by the time they get here. Push comes to shove a quarantine system may be required, preferably on the other end.
But health workers? Hell no. They've put themselves at risk to help others, the least we can do is try to look after them. The risk and
relative cost to us is minimal, and on a slightly more selfish note, also provides valuable experience in dealing with these cases should (god forbid)
an outbreak occur here.
If disfunction is a function, then I must be some kind of genius.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 06:05 PM |
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what i dont understand is why the west ,where as far as i know we dont have this virus,are expected to bail out africa.
over the years billions of ££££ and $$$$$ have been pumped into the area and they should now have facalities to sort out these sorts of problems but
it seems they would rather spend the "aid" money on palaces for the elite and continual wars for the common man.
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 06:28 PM |
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A billion dollars to contain ebola is small change in international affairs.
Modern health care systems are well equipped to deal with infectious outbreaks. It won't become a problem for us, unless it mutates and becomes
airborne, then we're all fucked.
Citizens who go abroad to help save lives should be brought back for treatment. That should go without saying.
Just because we have had the good fortune of being born in well developed countries, doesn't mean our lives are worth more than those less
fortunate with the circumstance of their birth.
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joneh
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 06:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
what i dont understand is why the west ,where as far as i know we dont have this virus,are expected to bail out africa.
over the years billions of ££££ and $$$$$ have been pumped into the area and they should now have facalities to sort out these sorts of problems but
it seems they would rather spend the "aid" money on palaces for the elite and continual wars for the common man.
Or if you look at it another way, the ££££ and $$$$ given in aid to Africa, is only a tiny fraction of what the western world have f&@ked out of
Africa over the years.
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 07:10 PM |
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^^^ indeed, such as slaves, diamonds and oil, just to list the obvious ones.
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 08:21 PM |
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Not forgetting the rather less obvious ones such as the minerals to support our addiction to the latest IPhones and such paraphenalia. We the locusts,
greedily strip, destroying everything in our path, leaving nothing (UK baby boomer type thing, but internationally).
Anyway, my view, No, No and No.
Lets put things into perspective guys. Bliar 'saved' us from H5N1 by stock piling ineffectual ant-virals (the Roche share surge
benefitting the financial/political parasites). Screening is ineffectual.
Millions die of malaria, etc., at present.
Take the Sheeple's gaze from the mess you're making, create something to scare, offer the salvation,await the praise.
Could always start another war, or invade a sovereign country. Oh, yes, we do that too.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 08:24 PM |
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My 2p's worth. We can't stop illegal immigrants, so, what chance do we have of stopping a germ, it's millions of times smaller than
an illegal immigrant.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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bi22le
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| posted on 7/10/14 at 08:50 PM |
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I dont know how effective the screening would be and therefore cant judge or make comment on it. If its relatively simple and easy, lick this and
stick it in a machine then do it.
Ebola is awful. The cases are quadrupling every 14 days. You cant shrug and turn a blind eye at the situation. This is not H5N1, its transmitted by
any physical transition. The spanish nurse that contracted ebola was working in a specialist hospital in Spain. Now over 30 people that she has come
in contact with are at risk and have been pulled in for testing. This could get very out of hand fast yet people seem blasι to it because of the over
reaction with H5N1. Remember, that happened in China where they have a dictatorship that can control the masses and have a structure to their country.
We should try and wipe this out as best as we can. We should protect our boarders, we should treat aid workers. This is one of the easiest clear cut
and humane ways we can SAVE lives.
Its far better than wading into the ISIS, turkey Kobal situation that has more knock-on, political fall out and money effects than we can even
evaluate at the moment.
Now that is how to spurt 2ps worth!!
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
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Theshed
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| posted on 8/10/14 at 05:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
what i dont understand is why the west ,where as far as i know we dont have this virus,are expected to bail out africa.
over the years billions of ££££ and $$$$$ have been pumped into the area and they should now have facalities to sort out these sorts of problems but
it seems they would rather spend the "aid" money on palaces for the elite and continual wars for the common man.
Common decency?
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britishtrident
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| posted on 8/10/14 at 08:04 AM |
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Stopping direct flights is essential I am surprised airport staff and flight crew haven't already taken industrial action to black these flights
after all would you care to empty the toilet tank on an aircraft that had flown in from an ebola area ?
Many years back I had the the dubious privilege of spending a week in Monrovia Liberia, to describe it as a hell hole would be a an understatement.
Since then it has went through revolutions and extended civil wars so even without Ebola I would expect conditions have got worse rather than better.
The level of corruption is so great that sending any financial aid to country will only makes things worse.
I can't see the neighbouring countries such as the Congo which has been in an almost continuous state of chaos since the Belgians go kicked out
being any better.
I suspect many of the medics and aid workers who go out to that part of Africa are suffer from an Albert Schweitzer syndrome, but basic humanity
drives us to look after these people giving them proper 1st world medical care but bringing them back to the civilised world is to take a huge a
gamble with the lives of millions. One solution may be for the WHO to charter a pensioned off cruise liner or aircraft carrier to use as an isolation
hospital ship.
[I] What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 8/10/14 at 12:21 PM |
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Total deaths to date in Nigera - 3439
England and Wales 2010
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/10/28/Factfile_deaths_large.png
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britishtrident
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| posted on 8/10/14 at 02:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
^^^ indeed, such as slaves, diamonds and oil, just to list the obvious ones.
The slave trade existed in Africa long before the first Europeans took advantage of it.
[I] What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Badger_McLetcher
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| posted on 8/10/14 at 05:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
^^^ indeed, such as slaves, diamonds and oil, just to list the obvious ones.
The slave trade existed in Africa long before the first Europeans took advantage of it.
And in Europe before Africa was exploited (although sometimes politely referred to as Serfdom).
But I still think we should help - it is the morally correct thing to do, and besides, the better the situation over there is controlled the less
likely it is to spread over here. Pulling up the gangplanks is simply not an option, borders are too porous.
As for aid workers the threat bringing them home poses is pretty small - it sounds like this Spanish thing is because they weren't given the
proper equipment. That should really not be an issue - case in point the gent who was brought back here.
If disfunction is a function, then I must be some kind of genius.
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Texan
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| posted on 8/10/14 at 09:52 PM |
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An update on the US case, the original patient has died and another has shown to be infected.
They just checked the Sheriff into the hospital for tests which would make #3.
They should have quarantined everyone who came in contact with him for the few days it takes to see if they were infected, but they didn't and
now it's too late.
The ambulance drivers said one time he vomited in the bushes at his apartment, but they didn't know he had ebola at the time so nothing was done
about it. That's definitely body fluids.
I've read animals can carry it and get the disease. Dogs & cats love to eat vomit, plus where that apartment was there were probably any
number of wild animals coming through at night.
I don't know if you've read up on the disease, but this is definitely the worst way you could die and has been a personal fear of mine
every since I read a novel about just this exact situation. At that time I believe it was mostly confined to monkeys.
This isn't a half way measures disease.
I drive therefore I am.
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