chris.russell
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| posted on 15/3/05 at 09:43 AM |
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911
anyone seen this before....
pentagon strike
....makes you think
Mines a pint
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flak monkey
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| posted on 15/3/05 at 10:33 AM |
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There was a program on about that not so long ago (last summer possibly)...
The conclusion was it was definately a plane that hit. Going at 520mph there would be nothing left of the plane (anyone seen the video of the fighter
jet hitting a concrete wall at 600mph?). 5000 gallons of fuel is easily explained...ie the huge fireball.
Besides if it wasnt a plane, where did that flight go? And all the people on it? And why all the people straight after saying it was a plane?
Its just a typical conspiracy theory thing, people who just dont want to believe.
Well IMO,
David
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white130d
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| posted on 15/3/05 at 12:52 PM |
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the truth?
Taken from Their website
"The information in the Flash presentation is simply a collection of facts about the events of that day. We do not state any
"theories". As such we are not "disregarding the truth", despite what many readers claim, quite the contrary in fact."
The problem is it is the facts they want you to see, just like all press it is biased toward thier opinions and beliefs. Everyone is entitled to
their opinion but everyone has to keep an open mind and be understanding of others opinions. You (rhetorical) do not have to accept it, just
understand it.
As for the eyewitnesses of missle sounds...what does a missle sound like. In my 45 years on this earth I have yet to hear a missle at close range so
I could not make any comparison. I have been around fighter jets, commercial jets, civil jets and prop planes of all types, but never a missle.
Just my dos centavos.
David.
"There's only 2 things that money can't buy, and that's true love and home grown tomatos" Guy Clark
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drmike54
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 03:32 PM |
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Interesting idea. What do you think would happen to a Locost crashing into a wall at 530 mph?
Started Welding the chassis!!!!
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steve m
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 04:42 PM |
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your not using mine!!
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flak monkey
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 05:28 PM |
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OK it was 500mph. Test carried out by Sandia Labs in America. Was an F4 Phantom jet. Carried water not fuel to prevent a big explosion, but you get
the idea of what happens....
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/concreteplane.html
Video is there ^
David
[Edited on 16/3/05 by flak monkey]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 06:45 PM |
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However you lok at it, it's very interesting.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 07:47 PM |
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they must have flown the plane in almost at ground level when you look at the pic.....
this link shows a discussion with a better detailed picture.
as it says, the twin towers absorbed the planes pretty well and only showed small entry holes....
atb
steve
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 07:47 PM |
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picture....
 
Rescued attachment pentagon.jpg
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Liam
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 08:37 PM |
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Ya know looking at you in your avatar, Steve, I've always thought you must be serious about hairdressing. Nice website!
Liam
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JoelP
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 08:38 PM |
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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
off steves thread. This just about summarises it.
theres conspiracy theories everywhere. What could the US government possibly gain by missiling its own HQs? perposterous idea (wish i could spell that
word!)
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 10:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Liam
Ya know looking at you in your avatar, Steve, I've always thought you must be serious about hairdressing. Nice website!
Liam
ive seen the pic posted after you had ridden in the isonblade. I dont think you can say much about hairstyles
atb
steve
ps - i found the site searching for pentagon 911 pics - coulda been about anything! im not a member, honest!
[Edited on 16/3/05 by stephen_gusterson]
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andyps
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| posted on 18/3/05 at 10:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
What could the US government possibly gain by missiling its own HQs? perposterous idea (wish i could spell that word!)
It gets us all worried and fearful, meaning they can pass rules which allow people to be locked up without trial and take away all sorts of liberties
- all of which is accepted because of the threat of terrorism. Fear is a great way to control populations - look at how fearful the Iraqis were of
Saddam, and they all voted for him in elections.
I don't know if I believe the conspiracy theories, but when officialdom will not allow the videos to be released which would prove what they say
about it being a 757 which hit the pentagon (when loads of witnesses say t was something else) what are we supposed to think?
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 18/3/05 at 11:49 PM |
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what witnesses?
its easy for eveyone to state this or that, but its facts that matter. If you were studying the attack as part of a degree you would have to quote
multiple documented sources. Its pretty easy to seach reliable sources like the bbc and sky news and it will come up as a plane attack. What
equivalent sources say otherwise? Do you mean to say that no witnesses at the pentagon actually said to the bbc et al that no, it wasnt a plane, it
was summat else? Are the bbc, sky news, abc, reuters, the whole lot, in on the conspiracy?
tony blair got us in to it by saying about 45 minute capability for iraqi attacks. He didnt have to bomb RAF Lyneham, or brize norton to get the
country behind him. neither would bush have to do something as bad as blowing up the pentagon!
and where are all the people from the plane, exactly, if they werent smashed to atoms in a crash? All living it up in florida?
most conspiracy theories are tosh. I cant quote multiple sources for that tho 
atb
steve
[Edited on 18/3/05 by stephen_gusterson]
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the JoKeR
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 12:50 AM |
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If the plane didn't crash into the Pentagon, somebody needs to explain to the families of those on-board where the passengers are. Hundreds of
people died in that specific crash (not to mention the thousands of others on that day), and I can't fathom there are people who would use the
event in this manner - saying it didn't happen - to further their own agenda.
My dad is a retired United Airlines pilot, who was in Washington DC on 9/11. He was planning to fly out to see my brother in California that day.
Luckily, he chose to stay in DC another day to help a friend move, as he had taken one of those flights a few times in the past. Departing from the
same airport, same airline, same time. I knew he was in DC and I knew he was planning to head to California on or about that day. Although he
didn't remember the people specifically, a couple of the Flight Attendents killed that day were FAs on flights he flew prior to retiring. The
lady he was helping move knew, but was not close friends with, another FA killed that day (she's a retired FA).
Sorry for my rant, but the whole thing strikes too close to home. It was 36 hours before I got confirmation that my dad wasn't on one of those
planes.
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Deckman001
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 05:12 PM |
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I heard a 'story' of an area outside Washington that is ''now' top secret and out of bounds to EVERYONE , even fly
overs, this could be a poss site for evidence, still seams to be alot of wrong looking theories out there about this one , ie what happen to all the
photo and vid evidence that disapeared, surely this being shown would prove beyond any doubt ???
Jason
I'm not saying that it was deliberate of the gov, but might have been just a wayward missile that missed the original plane
[Edited on 19/3/05 by Deckman001]
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the JoKeR
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 06:55 PM |
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There are probably a LOT of areas within the DC area which are closed to all civillian air traffic now, many of which have been closed for decades. I
think the difference now is the seriousness with which it is taken now. Fifteen years ago or so some clown flew a small one-engine plane into the
White House. I don't recall if he hit the building or only crashed on the lawn. I'd bet if that were tried today he wouldn't have
gotten anywhere near his target. Although I have no firsthand knowledge as to any defenses within the capital, I am willing to bet that there are a
LOT of surface-to-air installations in place now - ones that the public don't even know exist.
Think it's any different around Buckingham Palace?
9/11 at the Pentagon:
This is a pretty darn big fireball if it were a missile or small plane. The building is stone and wouldn't have aided in causing this large of
an explosion, unless there were an indoor fuel storage, which isn't real likely.
Because the original video in question says there were video tapes of the incident doesn't make it so. It's like me saying my Honda Civic
(crappy little economy car) was clocked by the police doing 150 miles per hour, but the video "disappeared", so it must be true because
the government doesn't want the public to know.
I'm fine with a good conspiracy theory now and then, but this one is just too rediculous. I'll believe in aliens from Mars before I
believe that video's "proof". Look into Area 51 if you want a good conspiracy.
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Simon
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 10:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
off steves thread. This just about summarises it.
theres conspiracy theories everywhere. What could the US government possibly gain by missiling its own HQs? perposterous idea (wish i could spell that
word!)
OIL?
ATB
Simon
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JoelP
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 10:28 PM |
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aah yes, the falling price of oil. that one obviously backfired then...
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the JoKeR
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 01:39 AM |
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So much for the "No war for oil" slogan. I hate talking politics, but that premise was bugging me from the start.
Out of curiosity, what is a typical price for gas in the UK now? Last I heard, the average price in the US is around $2.05/gallon. I won't be
surprised to see $2.50 by summer.
[Edited on 20/3/05 by the JoKeR]
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Deckman001
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 10:11 AM |
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About 85 pence per litre at the moment ,, Not sure of the calc to gallons
Jason
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flak monkey
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 11:28 AM |
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About 4.5 litres in a UK gallon, about 3.8 in a US gallon IIRC.
So £3.82 for a UK gallon and £3.20 for a US gallon. ($7.34 and $6.15 respectively)
Sera
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the JoKeR
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 01:05 PM |
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Not as big of a difference as I expected then. Still, it makes me happy I'm not driving my full size Chevy Blazer anymore. 12-13 miles per
gallon thanks to this $hitty "reformulated" gas we have to use in our city. With other gas it was getting 15-17 MPG. Not quite the 33
MPG my Honda gets, and I expect the Locost I'll be building will do even better than that (if I keep my foot off the "loud"
pedal).
Flak Monkey - I've got to ask about your Maiden banner on your signature. Are you just a big fan or is there some other connection?
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Triton
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 01:27 PM |
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Heres a spanner in the works.....some oik tried shooting the airliner down and kinda made a bollock of it and hit the Pentagon...then went and did a
proper job which is now all hush hush.......Or they actually managed to nick an airforce plane and the US security bods don't want the world to
know what muppets they really are!
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the JoKeR
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 01:40 PM |
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I really need to find an English to English dictionary.  The areas around DC and the Pentagon are too heavily populated for that to happen and
word not get out. Besides, the news media here is so anti-Bush that they would have been all over that if it were the case, aiming to use it as
"another example of how the Bush administration failed to prevent this from happening".
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