andyace
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 posted on 15/3/06 at 07:33 PM |
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Blocked Toilet !!!!
Hello, any plumbers out there.
Our downstairs loo is backing up for over a week now, luckily we noticed early on and it is just the water which we are flushing. The downstairs loo
and upstairs ensuite were added as part of a new extension.
Does anyone know when it is the water boards responsibility for a blockage. I have rodded as much as I can which is about to the outside wall of the
house but cant get any further.
Any ideas to try??, tried continuos flushing (will go through very slowly), chemicals (no difference) and roddinf (very few points to rod from, got
about 15 foot along before hitting something but dont know if it is a blockage or bend)
Cant be sure what or where the blockage is, can I claim anythng on house insurance?
Delaying getting a plumber in as I am dreading the cost !!
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JoelP
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 07:40 PM |
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its the water boards problem if the blockage is outside of your property, ie under the pavement or beyond. Check the details of your insurance, it
might make a difference if it blocked or collapsed. If the insurance will cover it, get the water board in anyway, either they or the insurance will
have to pay up. If you're not insured, its probably cheaper to get professional rodding done. That said, you've had a good go yourself, if
they mention cctv surveys then it can be expensive.
If i were you, id try harder to work out where its blocked exactly. Sounds odd that one toilet is blocked but not the other. Does the manhole fill up?
Id stick a hose into the manhole, see if it blocked above or below so to speak.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 08:12 PM |
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Old fashioned string mop into the bowl work it up and down like a sink plunger to build up a pressure wave -- unless the drain has collapsed this
works 90% of the time.
[Edited on 15/3/06 by britishtrident]
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 08:27 PM |
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I concur with British trident It usually does the trick. Failing that some of the drain devil type out fits with pressure washer gear. If it's
collapsed inside your boundaries get a shovel and dig yourself a hole where you thinks it's blocked at. No point in paying someone £30
an hour to do a job you could locost yourself.
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RichardK
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 08:42 PM |
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Sometimes throwing a bucket of water from above can help as well. Buy a pakamac first tho 
Regards
Rich
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billy
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 09:25 PM |
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Yep..... no getting out of it dig the path up etc.....its a poo job but hey it needs to be done
luego-lo-cost finished,vauxhall 16v 2.0,twin 45s de-dion rear set up
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Peteff
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 09:34 PM |
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Lift the lids on your property and see if there's anything under them, rod back towards the house and if it goes watch out as you are now
downstream . What end are you using on the rods?, my favourite is the ball as it helps to get round corners without snagging. Luckily I
haven't had to do this for years now. Just a thought, the new toilets weren't macerator units were they?
[Edited on 15/3/06 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 09:49 PM |
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Have you got british gas plumbing cover?
I pay about a small amount on top of my normal maintenance contract and they look after the heating, plumbing and electrics. Any problems, pick up the
phone and they come out.
Helps that Centrica own both british gas & dynorod!
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owelly
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 09:59 PM |
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FWIW, if the blocked section of drain is shared, irrespective of whose land it is on, it is the responsibilty of the Water Board. It is not uncommon
for several drains to meet on whoevers land they happen to pass through.
Check if the other bogs connect with the blocked one and ask the neighbours if they have any 'slow flushing' pans!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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pajsh
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 10:10 PM |
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My version of the "Trident" plunger/mop idea is to cut the end of a two litre pop bottle (that is the bottom not the top) and then shove
it in the bottom of the pan and plunge it up and down. Works everytime if the block is somewhere in the pan and you don't have to buy
anything.
Lifting manholes and flushing toilets inside the house should tell you where the blockage is. After that it's rod it up stream and if that
doesn't work dig it up.
IIRC you are responsible up to the boundary of your property, normally the back of the pavement but on a modern house (like ours) where there is no
pavement there is a notional 2m service strip back from the road which the council are responsible for. I know this because when they adopted our
roads they made everyone dig up all trees and plants in this 2m strip. What was a lovely planted estate became wasteland overnight and made it look
like it did when the builders left it 15 years ago. But that's progress for you.
I don't think it make a difference if the drains are shared. If they are on your land they are your responsibility. The council are only
interested where they are in their property.
HTH
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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paulf
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 10:16 PM |
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Not always
We and 30 other houses have just got a bill from the council for unblocking a sewer 200yards down the road from my house that is shared by all
concerned.Apparently the sewer off the estate is not adopted by the waterboard or council until it meets the main sewer at the bottom of the road and
all maintainance costs have to be shared by those connected to it.
It blocked up 2 years ago and was supposedly jetted and fixed, but apparently not correctly.
Paul.
quote:
Originally posted by owelly
FWIW, if the blocked section of drain is shared, irrespective of whose land it is on, it is the responsibilty of the Water Board.
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Chippy
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 11:12 PM |
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I think you will find that the water board are responsable for the drain only after the interceptor manhole, (sorry, inspection chamber). Try
lifting the manhole covers on your property, and see where, and how things flow. If you have the half spoon fitting for your rods, try rodding away
from the manhole, and pulling the blockage out. Hope this helps. ATB Ray, PS wear a long pair of rubber gloves, and a plastic mac.
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trextr7monkey
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 11:18 PM |
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You can get a drain flushing attachment for power washer yourself and work from the manhole down stream, if all of the mop/plunger/ plastic bag on a
stick stuff doesnt work.
Often a garden hose with the squirty attachnment turned so that it is a forceful jet can do the trick - make sure it is fitted to a tap with a check
valve so none of the carp gets back into the domestic system Poking a garden hose up and rotating like rods may get round a bend but they
shouldn't be that sharp on drains.
I spent a couple of years on a wide variety of pig farms- man can they block the drains!!! imagine using straw as toilet paper, and if it is any
consolation we never had to dig up the concrete.
Perseverance, a pair of waterproof trousers and some decent rubber gloves will always win the day. Keep goin'!!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14016102@N00/ (cut and paste this dodgey link)
Our most recent pics are here:
http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p211/trextr7monkey/
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owelly
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| posted on 16/3/06 at 05:32 PM |
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I'm glad I live up North where the Water board are nice then!!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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