mr_pr
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 posted on 5/6/06 at 07:28 PM |
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Bike Engine V Car?
Hi Guys,
So, I have never delt with bike engines having only ever owned a Land Rover!! So are they better than car engines in kit cars?
Anyone want to give me a quick disadvantage advantage list for them vs car engines?
Thanks in advance!
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matt.c
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 07:36 PM |
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Welcome to the locosters
Just go bike engine!
Hellfire will tell you!
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graememk
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 07:41 PM |
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neither one is better than the other, they just are different, it depends on what you want to use the car for, ease of build, cost of build, type of
use. etc etc
must admit bec's sound smart and are faster, but in fairness on old xflow 1.3 is fast in a 7
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Winston Todge
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 07:43 PM |
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BEC - Poo off shovel...
CEC - Boat anchor...
Not much help really, but if you have a go in a BEC you'll understand why so many people rave about them!
Chris.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 07:46 PM |
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Bike engine Car Pros -
Brilliant on track, car handles/accelerates/stops better due to lower weight (60kgs for engine and gearbox combined)
Sequential gearbox
Great price / performance ratio, you'll need a 200bhp car engine to live with a sub £1k 150bhp stock bike engine.
The high revving nature and the noise
Cons -
Not as nice to drive long distances in due to high cruising revs.
Clutches / Gearboxes not as strong as car engine'd variants.
Noise on trackdays can be an issue, slightly noisier than the average car engine.
Thats about it that I can think of.
[Edited on 5/6/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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mookaloid
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 07:48 PM |
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I can hardly bring myself to watch the ensuing arguments ......
graememk is probably about right on this
Cheers
Mark
PS I have seen several 'boat anchor' cars outdrag several bike engine cars.....
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 07:49 PM |
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I think £ for £ a BEC is quicker, but overall I dont think you can just say that BECs are qucker full stop.
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 07:55 PM |
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JUST BUILD 2 CARS
1 bec
1 cec
then your sorted
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RazMan
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 08:14 PM |
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Go for a V6 - buckets of torque and a luverrly sound track
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Hellfire
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 08:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
I can hardly bring myself to watch the ensuing arguments ......
graememk is probably about right on this
Cheers
Mark
PS I have seen several 'boat anchor' cars outdrag several bike engine cars.....
Dunno... what do you think? Anyone with an opinion care to make a statement?
We'll take the 5th amendment on this...
... for now...
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caber
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 08:53 PM |
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MR-PR
In landie speak difference is putting either an old montego diesel in a series motor against putting a 300tdi in Lots of revs versus lots of grunt!
I am a landy driver and I have opted for a pinto as I will be mostly on road rather than on track. I think I prefer my serious adrenaline from
dropping my series 3 off a 1in 1 or steeper slope then trying to get back up again!
caber
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 09:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mr_pr
Hi Guys,
So, I have never delt with bike engines having only ever owned a Land Rover!! So are they better than car engines in kit cars?
Anyone want to give me a quick disadvantage advantage list for them vs car engines?
Thanks in advance!
what a silly question........... but I'm also a touch biased, car engines are great, but you wont find me in anything but a BEC, there greater
than great........ did i say I may be biased ?
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tks
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 09:13 PM |
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here we go again...
pass me a beer barman..
i think that the 0-60-0 record is for the BEC..
and if you want a race car feeling altough you maybe slower you need BEC revs,clutch,gearbox its more raceing style..
No ugly H gearchange...
but a no no for 5 to 2nd touring changes...
i started with the bec its what called me in to this and it could be a reason to make a CEC
Tks
[Edited on 5/6/06 by tks]
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 09:22 PM |
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shortie
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 09:22 PM |
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Simple answer as already mentioned is to get a ride in both and then decide.
BUT........
Think about how you are going to use the car, if it's for primarily track I'd say go BEC, if it's predominantly road I'd say
CEC.
I would suggest that a CEC will cost more to get the same performance as a BEC.
Rich.
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JoelP
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 09:24 PM |
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im firmly in the bec camp now cos i prefer track driving, road use is just secondary fun. My driving is too reckless really to take the bec out
regularly.... the pros and cons have been well summed up, you just need to decide what you want it for, and how badly you intend to drive
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cryoman1965
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 09:29 PM |
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Boat Anchors
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 09:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisGamlin
quality.........
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907
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 09:54 PM |
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What about that nice 2 litre Honda engine?
Maybe best of both worlds?
Paul G
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Johnmor
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 10:01 PM |
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It all depends but,
If its a kit bike your building, use a bike engine, Kit car =car engine.
If you want torque and rapid accelaration in any gear, and a sound track to kill for =V6 or V8.
Light , cheap, simple and pretty quick, =4 cylinder car engine.
Out and out racer for track and short , fast sprints, high maintenance and high revs,= bike engine.
Or get a engine from a CBX and have the best of both worlds
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Mezzz
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 10:26 PM |
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Honda S2000 with a turbo
Is the way foward. But if you dont have the money BEC... like me
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phoenix70
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| posted on 5/6/06 at 11:26 PM |
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Nobody has mentioned the lack of a reverse gear. Also the cost, going BEC can be very expensive, particularly if you want a reverse gear.
As other have said, I'm bias too, after all I'm building CEC
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 6/6/06 at 08:28 AM |
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Motorsport?
If you're planning - or thinking about (& if you're not you should be !) - any sort of motorsport in the car, such as Sprints or
Hillclimbs. It's worth remembering that the classes suitable for roadgoing 7's are split at 1700'cc and normally specifiy 'car
derived engines'
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v8kid
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| posted on 6/6/06 at 08:30 AM |
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Don't forget durability - thrash a bike engine car and it won't last long. Anyhow all the really fast track cars have car engines.
Come to think of it they don't last long either - must be a message there somewhere.
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 6/6/06 at 08:39 AM |
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once youve took a ride in a BEC youll understand why there so popular,
and even more so also people who have got CEC's take a ride in a BEC and there engine is out that weekend ready for the transplant
ofcourse theres that 10% who are to proud to admit defeat and stick with there car engine
reverse what do i want to go backwards for ??
not exactly gonna be doing me sunday shopping in it am I.
there is some very fast CEC's
but dont just think by sticking a V8 in it is the answer
youll most likely go straight on when you thrash round a sharp bend
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