lsdweb
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 09:55 PM |
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Endurance Rally Car - Ideas?
Hi All
I'm planning on doing some Endurance Rallying next year, especially as the Lombard is back in Wales.
I'm looking for a suitable car to meet the regs - so, up to 1400cc, preferably front
wheel drive (cos I'm quicker in it) and on a limited budget.
I've considered the Rover 200 / 214 but these have, apparently, poor gearing for the lanes etc..
Other options:
106 XSi
205
Corsa
Skoda (No)
Any thoughts and anybody want to sell me a car??
Wyn
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ned
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 10:18 PM |
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i recon the 205 xs would be easier to work on than the 106xsi as its a bigger car and engine bay is easier to get round but don't think it makes
the same power as the xsi (tu) or a k series.
Ned.
[Edited on 12/11/06 by ned]
beware, I've got yellow skin
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DIY Si
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 10:19 PM |
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How much are you allowed to modify the cars?
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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caber
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 10:25 PM |
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Proper old fashioned Mini? Either in the under 1000cc or a mini cooper these ended up 1350cc didn't they?
Caber
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DIY Si
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 10:28 PM |
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The mini was only 4 sizes 850, 998, 1098 and 1275. That's why I asked about tuning/modifying. A nice old 1275 with a few extras goes nicely
enough.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 10:57 PM |
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volvo 340 , soo cheap on ebay
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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akumabito
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 10:58 PM |
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Fiat Seicento? Lots of goodies for the FIRE range of engines. The 1242CC 16V engines make up to 85Hp stock, although the Sei never had this engine
(only the 1108cc 8V, 55Hp I believe).. I don't know how flexible the rules are, but it's basically the exact same engine with a different
cylinder head, so you might get away with it.. the car is small and light as well, which would be a plus I guess 
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lsdweb
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 11:13 PM |
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It has to be stock so swapping engines from different models is a no goer!
I rallied minis a few year ago and if this was smooth surfaces I'd think about it bit not in the forests!
Wyn
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Fatgadget
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| posted on 12/11/06 at 11:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
The mini was only 4 sizes 850, 998, 1098 and 1275. That's why I asked about tuning/modifying. A nice old 1275 with a few extras goes nicely
enough.
Are you talking about "official" engine sizes here? If not you are wrong!
If yes you are still wrong coz you left out the 997 and 1071 Cooper Ss! 
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Browser
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 12:00 AM |
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As suggested in the regs, Metro GTa/i or Rover 100 1.4 GSi, nice revvy 16 valve K series and quite small/agile? Plenty cheap on Autotrader at the
mo.
1.4 Si Fiesta?
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Donners90
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 09:02 AM |
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Toyota Starlet 1.3 / 1.4 Turbo
May be hard to find an unmodified one, but I think standard power in around 130BHP and weighs under a ton.
How do the regs deal with import cars??
[Edited on 13-11-2006 by Donners90]
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StevieB
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 09:08 AM |
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Find an old Nova Sport - 1300 on twin webers.
They were built as rally cars (much as the 106 Rallye was a sort of 'homologation' special to bring a bit of motorsport cred to the road
cars).
If you can find one, it'll be cheap and there's plenty of places to supply parts
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Peteff
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 10:04 AM |
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you left out the 997 and 1071 Cooper Ss
They did a 999 Cooper S as well but they are so rare and fetch big money.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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ned
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 10:48 AM |
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IMHO look at the more powerful engines within the size range and the better handling cars which I think comes down to the 106 xsi at 102-5ish bhp iirc
or the k-series at 105ish bhp. The pugs handle well, metro's go ok aswell. other cars using the same engines will be bigger and heavier.
any car with less power will have to have a big advantage elsewhere to be as good imho ie weight or handling.
Having had a 205 and 106 and driven an old metro I recon it has to be one of the pugs.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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greggors84
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 12:39 PM |
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Depends how much you want to spend. 106 rallyes do well in these sort of rallies.
100bhp from the 1.3 and handles really well.
They will set you back alot more than say the XSi though as there arnt as many about. But then decent condition minis arnt cheap!
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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Marcus
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 12:39 PM |
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How about an AX GTi? Same engine as pug, less weight?
[Edited on 13/11/06 by Marcus]
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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akumabito
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 01:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Marcus
How about an AX GTi? Same engine as pug, less weight?
Nice call! They're VERY light cars indeed! Isn't it the same 1.4l engine as the Peugeot 106 XSi had? 90-ish Hp I believe, right?
Hmm, I just checked the specs.. Here. How come the GTi is so much heavier than the slower versions? Surely the
engine can not make 100kg difference? Seriously, 690kg vs 795kg is just ridiculous! I bet you can trim most of that weight back down though..
Click Here for the pics of the build-up and racing of the Citroen AX GTi rally car of the
Technical University of Delft (NL)
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DIY Si
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 05:12 PM |
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Ok, so I admit I missed a couple of the rarer and more expensive version off the list. But I wouldn't want to put any of the 997, 999 or 1071
coopers into this sort of thing, they cost FAR too much to use. Come to think of it a 1275 cooper S isn't exactly cheap either.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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ned
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 05:32 PM |
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well according to parkers technical data:
pug 106 1.4xsi 100bhp
pug 106 1.3rallye 100bhp
pug 205 1.4xs 85bhp
pug 205 1.4roland garros 85bhp
citroen AX 1.4gti 100bhp
citroen AX 1.4gt 85bhp
rover metro gti 16v 103bhp
vw polo 1.4 16v 100bhp
vauxhall corsa 1.4 16v 88bhp
vauxhall Nova 1.4sri 82bhp
volvo 340 1.4 70bhp (to keep volvosport happy!)
suzuki swift 1.3gto 100bhp
toyota yaris 1.3 vvti 86bhp
skoda fabia 1.4 16v 100bhp
skoda fabia 1.4td 80bhp
seat arosa 1.4 16v sport 100bhp
renault clio 1.4 16v 98bhp
honda civic 1.4 90bhp
fiat punto 1.4gt 130bhp?! must be an error!
fiat uno turbo 118bhp
daihatsu charade 1.3 gti 97bhp
[Edited on 13/11/06 by ned]
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 05:57 PM |
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somebody just competed in the endurance rally last week in a 340 - theyve got a roll cage to sell .
how do you get on with a turbo in the engine class - thought it might have an equivalence factor of 1.7 ?
if it wasnt for the capacity limit - id be saying volvo 480 !!! , they go quite well , speed sensitive power steering and suspension apparently
tweaked by lotus - anyway off topic .
the reason i mentioned the 340 , is because of the CVT which means you always have the perfect gear ratio for each corner . its why the DAFs were so
good when competing with a much smaller engine - thats the only advantage i can think of .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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akumabito
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 06:18 PM |
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Well, the Fiat Punto 1.4GT has a turbo engine.. Basically an upgraded version of the Uno turbo block. The engine is fairly bulletproof, it has been in
production in many different formats since the late '60s! Click HERE for more information on this
engine (wikipedia article)
But uhmm.. yeah, 'Variomatic' or CVT transmissions are pretty nice. You;ll never miss a shift, that's for sure! Old DAF vehicles are
often for sale here at pretty reasonable prices, as are old Volvo 66 models, which are basically rebodied DAF cars.. (they're usually cheaper,
because thy're not 'proper' DAFs en thus not very popular among the collectors)
The ol' Fiat Panda came with a CVT as well (the so-called 'Selecta' models), though I wouldn't recommend it, since the engine
is only a 1.1 liter producing 55Hp, and the transmission is quite prone to failure.
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lsdweb
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 09:47 PM |
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Great responses - thanks guys.
Ned - thanks for the list - eay to make decisions!
The 106 XSi looks agood option (I hate the Metro!) and there are loads of rally bits out there.
I'll have a look on ebay etc.
Wyn
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ned
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 10:04 PM |
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wyn, if you get a blue xsi i still have a slam panel, 3 front wings, rear bumper and a bootlid in the shed and a bag of lights and bits n pieces, free
spares as i want rid of them but havent brought myself to take them to the dump/scrappy!
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Stu16v
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 11:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
you left out the 997 and 1071 Cooper Ss
They did a 999 Cooper S as well but they are so rare and fetch big money.
Err, no such thing as a 997, or a 999 Cooper S...
More like 970, 1071, and 1275 Cooper S's.
997, and then 998 Coopers.
850, 1000, 1100, and finally 1275 Mini's.
[/anorak]
[Edited on 13/11/06 by Stu16v]
Dont just build it.....make it!
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Peteff
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| posted on 13/11/06 at 11:39 PM |
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Take your anorak off.
Read the official BL press release announcing the Victory of the "Equipe Arden" 999cc Mini Cooper 'S' in the 1969 British
Saloon Car Championship.
About 2/3 of the way down this page.
The car developed an amazing 115bhp at 9,500 rpm from it's 999cc engine according to the write up.
I knew a teacher who owned one.
[Edited on 13/11/06 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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