russbost
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 09:11 PM |
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A political Party for the Motorist?
Anyone else come across this
http://www.thecarparty.org.uk/
From the description of some of their policies, they could be nearly as dangerous as Blair's mob & Red Ken, but some of it makes sense. The
websites a bit sparse at present but apparently they didn't exist till this month.
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smart51
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 10:52 PM |
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What kind of idiot thinks that cyclists should be taxed? This alone marks them out as fools.
BST all year round - guess these people only live in London then. Dawn today is 1 hour later in NW scotland and NI than it is in dover. Dusk is 1
hour earler in NE scotland than it is in cornwall. It is worse in December. The reason we have BST is that people in London like it - it gives them
longer summer evenings. The north has longer daylight hours in the summer and can tollerate it. The reason we have GMT in the winter is that it
wouldn't get light unitl 10:00 if they had BST. We have to leave it as it is.
They are a party of halfwits. Not that they are likely to make the next government but they would surely screw the whole country up in weeks.
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JoelP
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 08:42 AM |
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some good ideas in the driver training though.
Are you sure its as extreme as that in scotland smart? Ive never been myself, but was under the impression that sunrise would be more like 9am not ten
without reverting to GMT. Anyway, i think its a great idea, dusk at 4pm is beginning to annoy me already! Maybe a split time for scotland is the
answer. 
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smart51
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 09:50 AM |
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Dawn in Ullapool is at 8:07 am GMT today or 9:07 am BST. It gets later at a rate of about 2 minutes per day. 2 weeks from now it will be 8:37 /
9:37. By mid december it will be 9:00 GMT or 10:00 BST
In Dover, dawn is at 7:11 BST, nearly an hour earler. Dawn will get later but not by as much. The further north you go, the shorter winter daylight
hours are. In mid December there is over an hours difference.
My point though is that their ideas are badly thought out on thier specialist subject. What will they do on things that the don't
"know" anything about?
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Colnago_Man
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 09:51 AM |
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I own three cars, and pay road tax on them all. Yet I choose to cycle to work, I dont see why I should pay even more road tax just because I choose to
leave my car at home and not add to the local congestion.
Sadly these bizarre policies just loose the party any credibility.
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James
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 10:36 AM |
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There's a few daft things on there.
Taxing cyclists indeed!  People should be encouraged to cycle! Would reduce congestion on the roads and be good for the environment.
I can just imagine the guy that set this up on The Today program being interviewed by John Humpries.... he'd get torn apart! 
Cheers,
James
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NS Dev
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 11:50 AM |
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not to mention (as long as they are no knocked off) good for the cyclists in terms of stopping them being fat lazy buggers like most of this country
seem to be becoming!!!
I also own something of a fleet of cars, love driving, but still cycle to work and back through the nicer part of the year (march to october) which is
a nice 24 mile round trip that saves money on fuel, keeps me a bit healthier and adds a bit of a challenge to the day!
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chockymonster
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 11:54 AM |
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what an electable party.
No comments on economics, environment, health etc.
Whilst I understand their frustration at the driver bashing that goes on they'd be better joining the ABD and campaigning with a bigger
political party that stands a chance of getting elected
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chockymonster
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 11:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
People should be encouraged to cycle! Would reduce congestion on the roads and be good for the environment.
The same number of cyclists that would fit in an average family car on a fast cycle will generate more CO2 than the car for the same journey
CO2 production is being blown out of all proportion. Compare what motorists produce to what big businesses produce, why are we taxed?
Because we are an easy target and big business actually get listened to by the government.
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russbost
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 12:06 PM |
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I strongly believe that an intelligently thought out set of policies covering things like our crap roads, speed cameras, cycling (if cyclists were
taxed for the amount they wear out roads & pollute the environment compared to other vehicles it would cost about 500 times to collect the amount
they should be paying which should be about 10p a year!), speed limits tailored with driver training & ability etc could make a significant
difference to a party getting elected. The Blair/Red Ken policy of charging people off the roads doesn't (& won't) work without a
decent public transport system in place which we're not likely to see anytime soon, if ever.
Think I'll move to France, they still have some decent open road without speed cams & they only charge you for using the rods you
don't need to. Unfortunately their bureaucracy hates kitcars!
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nitram38
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 12:09 PM |
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While I have nothing against cyclists, they too cause accidents and under the road traffic act 1956, the motorised vechile owner gets charged for the
ambulance that takes them to hospital, even if it was the cyclists fault.
People have also been killed by cyclists.
I think that there should be at least third party insurance levied against them.
Maybe this will make them think more next time they nearly run a pedestrian over because they cannot wait at a red light!
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smart51
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 01:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chockymonster
The same number of cyclists that would fit in an average family car on a fast cycle will generate more CO2 than the car for the same journey
Can you show us some figures to back this up? I'd be very interested to see them.
Do you also take into account the CO2 produced by the people in the car?
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JoelP
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 06:16 PM |
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the argument is flawed anyway, as the co2 produced by a person on a bike originally came from food of some sort, probably plants, and will be back in
plants shortly. The co2 produced from burning fossil fuels comes from a near perminant store, and goes into regular use. Hence you are moving carbon
out of storage into regular use with a car, or just cycling (pun intended ) it about with the cyclist.
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 06:51 PM |
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Apart from that they will still produce the co2 from breathing if they are sat in the car to add to that produced by the car, whereas the bicycle
doesn't produce any extra.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 06:56 PM |
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Presumably then, 5 cycling people produce more CO2 than 5 people sat in car. So the extra co2 produced by the 5 people outweighs the car? I very much
doubt that! O the world would be full of co2 from all the people in gyms!
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Simon
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| posted on 17/11/06 at 10:55 PM |
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Road deaths is easy to reduce - teach pedestrians how to use the road.
Cyclists should have compulsory third party insurance - they are treated as a VEHICLE if involved in a ding dong on a pelican crossing etc.
According to "Science of the Discworld" one person produces approx half the co2 a car does (don't ask me to qualify what type of
person and how energetic, or type of car etc etc). Same book also says best way to get rid of co2 is storage - ie build a library or (bit I like), lay
a load of new asphalt.
France does have speed cameras - they are 100 metres past a sign that says "RADAR", and starting from 1/1/07, they're clamping down
on foreigners.
ATB
Simon
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