Richard Quinn
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 03:16 PM |
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Car Travel Tax! - Come on
Linky
This has been doing the rounds again at work. Can I urge anyone who hasn't yet signed the petition against the proposed pay-per-mile car tax to
please do so.
It still needs another 59,000 or so signatures by the 20th Feb for it to count.
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nib1980
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 03:29 PM |
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whats the point blair has already said he won't listen to it as it doesn'y offer any alternatives, and all it is is to make us worry so
much that when they bring in something only 60% as bad as this we think we've done well. best solution is to leave this country if people
don't like it. and before anyone asks, I have already signed this petition,
i'm in such a good mood today! 
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westcost1
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 03:48 PM |
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Im going to get a horse they cant put a box thing on one of them!
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ecosse
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 04:24 PM |
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As per Marks comments those who use the roads more should pay more, i have no problem with that.
I also have several cars that I pay full road tax for whether they do 10 miles or 10000 a year, so for me (and most other people too) it should
improve things (famous last words!).
Cheers
Alex
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 04:26 PM |
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"those users who use the road the most should pay more" - Don't they do that already with the amount of duty on fuel?
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 04:26 PM |
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We all ready have a pay per mile, it's the fuel tax. This also helps encourage people to use efficent cars as well...
Dan
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graememk
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 04:45 PM |
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fuel tax is much better more miles or bigger engine = more tax, no need for the box thingies
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iank
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 04:52 PM |
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Does anyone think they will drop fuel duty and car tax if/when they introduce pay-per-mile?
(as a hint they haven't mentioned that they intend to...)
So triple taxation for car owners...
[Edited on 6/2/07 by iank]
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 05:15 PM |
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Drop the road tax and put it on fuel I say.
The following reasonings apply.
I have a 2.5V6 Omega that does say 3k miles a year (long journeys so less pollution). Why should I pay more excise band duty than a 1.2 litre clio
that does 60k a year. I'm not polluting as much as it is.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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caber
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 05:39 PM |
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Only a fair tax if there is a VIABLE public transport alternative, now lets see Airplane, no bad pollution problem, Railways, err reliability? price?
why is it so much more expensive to travel by train if you need a flexible ticket than to fly by easyjet in the UK. Bus, when? where? oh, privatised I
see, services that are profitable not ones that actually serve the needs of people.
Joined up thinking I don't think so!
Maybe they are relying on Global Warming to make the bicycle a viable means of transport, they could install bike tows like ski tows on hills. . . .
Caber
[Edited on 2/6/2007 by caber]
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G.Man
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 06:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
Drop the road tax and put it on fuel I say.
The following reasonings apply.
I have a 2.5V6 Omega that does say 3k miles a year (long journeys so less pollution). Why should I pay more excise band duty than a 1.2 litre clio
that does 60k a year. I'm not polluting as much as it is.
It is already on fuel...
Just they arent raising enough money from it and speed cameras, and they cant raise fuel prices without more road strikes...
Motorists will be the only ones penalised..
Not commercial vehicles....
Anyway, what can I say, I have left the UK now... fed up with the crime, mostly from this govt
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 07:03 PM |
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I've read somewhere that if it does come in they will drop all fuel tax and road tax to make way for the one pay per mile tax. I just
can't see it happening though. The Gov't is just too stupid and money grabbing where the motorist is concerned. As said, provide a viable
efficient public transport system and it'd work. Most of the prats that work for the Gov't live in towns and so may well have a usable
(note not nessecarily viable) public transport system. Once you move away from the towns it all goes wrong. In my old village it cost £3.50 for a
return trip to the local town, which is 2 miles away. It is actually cheaper to drive than wait for the 1 bus an hour.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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coozer
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 09:24 PM |
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Just like to add my two pennith. I live on the border of Co. Durham and Tyne & Wear. Very rural with nice B roads and green (and yellow) country
side.
We have a bus and tram service that can get me around Tyne & Wear fairly easy but to travel to Durham which is closer than Sunderland is a
nightmare.
The Metro tram system runs into Sunderland but that is a 40 minute bus journey away and is useless to us. We can only go to Newcastle on it, and who
would want to do that?
We even pay for the 'Tyne & Wear' Metro on our council tax!
I live in T&W and work in Co. Durham, 6 miles away along a country road. To use public transport to travel that distance means being at the bus
stop in Hetton for 06.10, travel to Peterlee, wait 45 minutes for a bus that goes past the plant and get to work at 8.05. Thats 1 hr 50 mins to travel
6 miles and be late for my 8am start. I pay usage tax putting fuel in my car so I can get there and back in a responsible time. There are NO trains to
use around here.
I used to live in London for a while in the 80's and didn't have a car! Buses and trains and tubes even then were good enough.
People who advocate these revenue raising schemes usually live in places like this with good public transport links.
Its just another soft option for fleecing us of tax that only soft right wing conservative tossers can agree with. IMHO
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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andyps
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 10:50 PM |
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There are two objections I have to this tax:
1) It is nothing but a revenue generator - the reality is that no one (in their right mind) chooses to sit in congestion, they do it because they have
to be somewhere at a particular time on a particular day - can anyone on here really say that if the tax goes ahead they will change their journey
times to avoid the peak periods? Those who have the ability to vary their journey to avoid delays through flexitime etc probably already do so.
2) - The really important one, the way this would be monitored would be an infingement of civil liberties - the government would know exactly
where, when and at what speed we were all driving. I am not prepared to allow this to happen, I am told I live in a free country, but big brother
already watches us too much - I do not want them to have any more powers.
I have, therefore, already signed the petition.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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IainB
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| posted on 6/2/07 at 11:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andyps
There are two objections I have to this tax:
1) It is nothing but a revenue generator - the reality is that no one (in their right mind) chooses to sit in congestion, they do it because they have
to be somewhere at a particular time on a particular day - can anyone on here really say that if the tax goes ahead they will change their journey
times to avoid the peak periods? Those who have the ability to vary their journey to avoid delays through flexitime etc probably already do so.
2) - The really important one, the way this would be monitored would be an infingement of civil liberties - the government would know exactly
where, when and at what speed we were all driving. I am not prepared to allow this to happen, I am told I live in a free country, but big brother
already watches us too much - I do not want them to have any more powers.
I have, therefore, already signed the petition.
Well said, exactly my feelings. From a selfish point of view I *should* benifit from this new system as I cover few miles, most of which in the
country. However, I do object to the govt knowing my exact whereabouts and speed.
I really cant see this happening in the near future anyway, far too much organisation.
Iain
ps, would Taxis be included in this?
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