Surrey Dave
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 12:25 PM |
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Rover Diesels?
Who makes the Rover (old) 416 shape , (new) 416 , 45 , 400 diesel engines , are they reliable?
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Agriv8
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 12:39 PM |
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did they do a 416 D ?
I know they did a 1.8 oil burner my dad had one ( I think ).
Anyway a quick google seach confirms thats it the XUD unit ( ie pugeot / Citreon ) so should be OK as the are heavy / noisy ( Derv injection pump )
but usually keep on truckin.
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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MikeR
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 12:55 PM |
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As stated the old 1.8 diesel is the XUD engine. The 2.0 diesel (more refined / power) is a rover design. When the rover engine was first released it
was pretty damned good with over 100 bhp. Nower days its been superceeded & i've no idea how reliable it is but i liked driving mine back in
97ish
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Danozeman
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 01:11 PM |
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As said the 1.8 is a pug and the 2.0 is rover. The 2 litres are reliable and very quick!! Iv done a few alt belt adjusters but not a bad job.. Isnt
britishtrident a rover man?? He may know more.
I nearly bought a bubble shape 200d, with 200k on the clock. Ran perfect and didnt use a drop of oil or water. The only reason i didnt buy it was it
had had a shunt up the front and rear and the repair wasnt very good.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 01:31 PM |
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Does that mean the smaller diesel is the same as in my Ciroen ZX 1.9D?
In the original question I meant early 416 shape ,although correctly i believe it was a 418 diesel................
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Agriv8
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 01:38 PM |
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In a word yes the main block and ancilaries should be very similar ( I think )
regards Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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IainB
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 01:51 PM |
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We had old shape Rover 218SD and 418TD tourer. Both super reliable, never had any problems but the non turbo was a bit underpowered. To my knowledge
the same engine as pug and citroen. Both cars did over 140k without fault but still almost had to pay someone to take them of us. IMHO a very good
value motor if you dont mind the badge.
Iain
http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e365/IainB1986/
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ned
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 02:01 PM |
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I vaguely recall hearing that the 75 used a bmw diesel engine just before rover went over.
sorry, bit of a tangent
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 03:07 PM |
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The old 1.8 is an XUD unit, very simmilar to the 1.9 fitted to countless Citroens and Peugeots etc.
The 2.0L engine from the later cars is the L-Series Rover direct injection unit. It is a development of the older Perkins Prima engine used in the
Montego/Maestro. It's a very strong and reliable engine given regular servicing, lot's of these around with 200k+ miles on them.
Rover were developing a common rail version of this engine when it all went pear shaped for them, and by all accounts it could have been an excellent
engine.
The 75 diesels do indeed use a BMW engine.
[Edited on 9/2/07 by MikeRJ]
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MikeR
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 03:30 PM |
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Only some of the 75's use the BMW engine. If its a 140bhp is BMW otherwise its the standard rover engine
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 05:21 PM |
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2 litre is the L series developed from the B/O/M/T series line --- turbo is very good indeed.
All 75s use the BMW diesel -- only difference is between BHPs is fuel maping in the ECU BMW tried to prevent Rover selling a higher performance diesel
head on against the 3 and 5 series.
Both thes units can be black box tuned to give quite decent power --
If you can go for a 75
600 diesel is also pretty good but most have gone for minicabs
As a price guide last week I saw a very fresh 04 plate 75 Diesel with 104,000 on the clock sell for just under 5 grand at auction.
Only really major fault on both these unit is the MAF sensor which goes bell up and mucks up the performance and fuel consumption -- easy to test
just disconnect it if the car runs better the MAF is naff.
more info
http://www.members.aol.com/roverron32/carpics/Homepage/eobd.htm
http://tuning-diesels.com/
[Edited on 9/2/07 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 9/2/07 by britishtrident]
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 07:37 PM |
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I'm confused now , how does all this relate back to the , old 218 , and the newer 416 shape,45 , 400's etc.?
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paulf
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 08:53 PM |
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The old shape cars were 1.8 peugot turbo diesel , the newer cars are 2.0 Lseries. I have a 600 which has done 217000 miles and it still runs very well
and gives 45 mpg and wil cruise at 90 plus.
The only real problem i have had is mine is using some water now and suspect it may have a cracked head which is apparently one of the few faults they
are prone to.
Paul
quote:
Originally posted by Surrey Dave
I'm confused now , how does all this relate back to the , old 218 , and the newer 416 shape,45 , 400's etc.?
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hillbillyracer
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 09:11 PM |
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The 200/400 built in the early 1990s had the 1.8 Peugeot XUD engine but I think as an older spec than Peugeot were using themselves at the time which
was a 1.9.
When the new shape 200/400 came out in the mid 90s they used Rover's own 2l diesel which as already stated has its roots in the Perkins
developed Maestro/Montego diesel. This engine was used in the 25/45 too.
As for MAF sensors many modern diesels are troubled by them, mainly the Bosch type I hear.
I dunno when you'd make use of it but the use of the XUD on the PG1 Rover gearbox should mean it's possible to put a Pug motor in a Rover.
MGF/Elise?
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 9/2/07 at 09:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hillbillyracer
I dunno when you'd make use of it but the use of the XUD on the PG1 Rover gearbox should mean it's possible to put a Pug motor in a Rover.
MGF/Elise?
Did the XUD engined cars ever use the PG1? Thought they came complete with French gearboxes?
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hillbillyracer
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| posted on 10/2/07 at 06:20 PM |
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I'm fairly sure they did but now that you've asked I'll have to check!
My Mini grasser has a PG1 box & I meant to weigh the job up but I never got round to it.
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