markf
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| posted on 19/5/07 at 10:09 PM |
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2B or not 2B
can some one please put me out of my missery, a part build listed on ebay 130114989282 listed as a 2B, however this car has Mc pherson strut front
end, which i thought was a SUB-K, as 2B was double front wish bone can some one either agree or correct me
cheers
[Edited on 19/5/07 by markf]
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graememk
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| posted on 19/5/07 at 10:12 PM |
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i think early 2b's were mc struts and double wish bones was extra
i 2b was called that because its made from tubes as in tubie
a sub k is monocock
this is a 2b, i think there is a convertion
[Edited on 19/5/07 by graememk]
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markf
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| posted on 19/5/07 at 10:14 PM |
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nah , thats the light weight, sub-k was offered along side the 2B as a cheaper alternative, sub-k meaning under a grand ( £1000 )
[Edited on 19/5/07 by markf]
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Peteff
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| posted on 19/5/07 at 10:23 PM |
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2B was double front wish bone
2b was sliding pillar front suspension with the later option of double wishbone wasn't it?
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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tegwin
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| posted on 19/5/07 at 10:53 PM |
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Yup...they did a couple of 2b versions...
I believe the first one had sliding pillar, the second had mc-pherson strut thingies and the latest has double wishbones....
IMHO keep yourself and your wallet as far away from them as possible...
I bought one a year ago and have regretted it every day since!!!!
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caber
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| posted on 19/5/07 at 11:09 PM |
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1600 pinto with high lift cam breathing through a twin choke webber and standar exhaust manifold! Hmmm not a receipe for a good engine IMHO.
Stainless panels, big tube frame, heavy and not too stiff.
Wacko macpherson strut front end, what's under the back? a full sierra arse? won't go round corners that well.
Looking at the piccies there is a lot of work needed to complete the thing. Only worth buying at donor money, at least you get some useable fibre
glass, windscreen and lots of other stuff that could be used to build a haynes roadster!
Caber
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tegwin
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| posted on 19/5/07 at 11:17 PM |
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Im going to say this again because I can...
Dont do it!
Get a proper chassis thats actually worth the money!
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 12:50 AM |
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not 2b get a mk or mnr 
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snapper
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 04:42 AM |
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Identification of all Robin Hoods,
Here
Monocoques in stainless were the first upto and including the Series 3a after that it was the 2b, subk was marketed at under 1000 pounds with fixed
top mount for the mac strut, there was also the delightfull (not) sliding pillar ala Morgan.
GBS do a good wishbone conversion.
[Edited on 20/5/07 by snapper]
[Edited on 20/5/07 by snapper]
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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scotty g
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 07:24 AM |
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For my sins i bought one of these new some years ago, i now know better.
The sliding pillar uses the inner steel bar cut out of the mc Phearson strut and its a bloody pain and needs far too much maitainance, the chassis is
very heavy, the stainless will rust, mine was rusting when i picked them up from the factory!
The rear suspension uses the sierra trailing arms so again very heavy.
None of the panels will fit properly, the build video will have you wetting yourself laughing but for all the wrong reasons.
I must say though that there are some truly great examples out there thanks to some VERY talented builders.
I cannot say much about the latest 2bs, maybe the quality has improved but the one you are looking at is an early one so will deffo be shocking, stay
away mate.
Cheers.
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Catpuss
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 08:49 AM |
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Noooo,
The video, BTW may not even be for building a 2B. Certainly two of my mates didn't think it was for the correct car. If you can get a copy of
it, its supposed to be hillariously bad, I've heard its a bit "Dorris, Dorris, is the camera running? get the dog out the way". I
could imagine it becoming a cult classic over the years.
I suspect its just the angle of photography but the whole front end looks like its shunted a foot to the left in the final photograph.
I would suspect the only plus side on that kit is that, if the suspension is on, then at least the brackets are either OK or have been sorted out.
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tegwin
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 09:57 AM |
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It is possible to "fix" the front of the 2B chassis....but it would have been easier to just buy a new chassis from a proper manufacturer
to start with....
This started life as a sliding pillar...
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 10:30 AM |
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you would be in a much better position buying a part built mk, luego, locost whatever than a part built 2b unless it is very very cheap .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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markf
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 01:36 PM |
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i thought when they brought out the 2B, it was only available in with double wish bone front, in the brochure i got it list the 2B and sub-K as to
different cars, 2B has only double front wishbones, and sub-K has Mc [pherson strut
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gregs
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 04:49 PM |
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it's a 2B/4, I know coz I've got one - built from start, 2 yrs - most time spent re-fabricting the RH parts that didn't fit (such as
the fuel tank!). While I'm pleased with the finished article it's very heavy for what it is and the front suspension (uses all of the
sierra suspension hardware WTEO springs and dampers) while ok has very limited adjustability (tracking and camber), and worst of all the shock is a
butchered mini item meaning I can't change them without a total hackup. Whilst I learnt a huge amount building it, I think it is a total false
economy, too many bought parts going in the bin!, I would never recommend to anybody - better to build a chassis IMHO.
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piddy
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| posted on 20/5/07 at 05:15 PM |
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Hello.
I'm sorry but it's not a 2B/4.
It is a 2B with sliding pilar suspension.
Which is the worst of all the 2B's. However it can be chanced to double wishbone.
I know because I built and owned a 2B with sliding pilar and converted it to wishbones.
The 2B/04 looks like the sub K with the headlights a lot higher than the one being sold on E bay.
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gregs
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 04:13 PM |
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don't be sorry - you're right, i'm wrong!.
Defo a sliding piller.....I just needed to open my eyes..
Am considering converting my 2B/4 so dbl wishbone (watch this space!)
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 06:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by markf
i thought when they brought out the 2B, it was only available in with double wish bone front, in the brochure i got it list the 2B and sub-K as to
different cars, 2B has only double front wishbones, and sub-K has Mc [pherson strut
I belive when it was originaly introduced, the 2B had the option of double wishbones instead of sliding pillock. The SubK never had the option of
double wishbones, you were stuck with the mini McPherson strut.
The SubK and 2B were simmilar, but the SubK had an even more basic chassis design than the 2B, which itself is hardly a good example of
triangulation.
They were very, very cheap though. I almost bought a 2B kit as nothing else could touch it on the sheer amount of bits you got. Very glad I
didn't though...
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