racing57
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 08:39 AM |
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The Ron Champion book
i have been waiting for this book to get delivered, and the book that has been sent is the haynes build your own sports car on a budget by chris
gibbs.... is this the same or shall i send it back and get the correct one ??
Thanks
Lee
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designer
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 08:42 AM |
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The book you have is the new version, using the Ford Sierra as the donor.
The Champion book used Ford Cortina uprights and rear axle.
The choice is yours
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CAD Monkey
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 08:43 AM |
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You've got a much better one IMHO.
Try looking here : www.haynes.co.uk/forums
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racing57
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 08:47 AM |
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but the car uses the sierra as a donor car, which is different to the others... obviously... i am wanting to race the car, so building it to the spec
in this book looks very different... ie the back axle configuration ??
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 08:54 AM |
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thats different, i think if you want to race it in the locost series you must use the original book despite the fact that chris gibbs book is much
better
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CAD Monkey
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 08:56 AM |
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Agreed, but there is talk on the Roadster site about Roadster racing...
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D Beddows
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 08:58 AM |
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No it's the Ron Champion one you need, useful to have but ignore almost everything in it as it's mostly either just wrong or badly
engineered. 
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racing57
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 09:00 AM |
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i just dont want to build something that isnt legal to race...
i'm a bit p1ssed, the listing on ebay had the ron champion book, and then i received this one...
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racing57
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 09:01 AM |
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ignore everything ??? :-)
that gives me confidence !!
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UncleFista
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 09:03 AM |
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Didn't Haynes delete the Ron Champion book once the new one was released ?
You might need to source it 2nd-hand...
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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CAD Monkey
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 09:19 AM |
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http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=164
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D Beddows
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 09:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by racing57
ignore everything ??? :-)
that gives me confidence !!
You'll understand once you've read it
As long as you've got the 750MC regs to build to you'll find way more useful info searching through here rather than in the book.
The book is/was mostly used for finding loopholes in the regs as one of the 750 regs is/was(?) 'must be as per the Ron Champion book etc
etc' and if you look very carefully through all the photos in the book you can find all kinds of interesting things........
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wicket
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 10:28 AM |
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I think I still have a copy of the original book at home if you would like it.
I will check tonight
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racing57
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 10:40 AM |
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thanks wicket.... i have already put a bid in on a 2nd edition book on ebay... there is also a chance the people i bought the book off may have the
one i need... if everything fails i will defo be in touch..
Thanks
Lee
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 12:55 PM |
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If you are like me, the original book is great for inspiring you to build your own car but bloody useless for actually building one. Without this
forum and the guys on it I would have been stuffed, because of all the cock-ups in the book.
Whereas the new Chris G book is one of the best presented technical manuals that I have ever read.
If you want to build the Escort based car, then do a lot of reading on this forum. It will save you a lot of grief. You will not find more help
anywhere.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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racing57
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 01:00 PM |
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i intend to... i have a 2nd edition ron champion book on its way....
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racing57
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 01:03 PM |
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is it worth keeping both ?? i mean the chassis is the same isnt it ? apart from the rear trailing arm pick up points ?
or should i just send it back and stick to the ron champion book?
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CAD Monkey
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 01:12 PM |
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All I can say is good luck finding decent donor parts for the original book! I know plenty of places now seem to make parts, but getting stuff 2nd
hand I would have thought would be nigh-on impossible.
Even knackered old Sierras are getting thin on the ground, or the sellers want stupid money, but if you want the guarantee of racing then the RC book
is the way to go (definately go for the 2nd edition though) Maybe you could knock up the chassis using CAD which will highlight errors in advance,
that's what stopped me starting to build the 1st edition of the RC book, but could prove useful.
HTH
[Edited on 17/7/07 by CAD Monkey]
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caber
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 01:17 PM |
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Chassis are different dimensions. Get plans for the book chassis from the McSorely site these are correct and much easier to build from particularly
if you can get access to a plotter or large format printer as you can then print in 1:1 on 42" paper I did a lot of my chassis from blown up
drawings. It didn't stop me making cockups but I made a lot less than I would have done relying on the book!
This forum is by far the best place to get build info from the search function is a bit hit or miss so if you can't find what you need this way
just ask a question and you will get good quality help.
Caber
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racing57
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 01:35 PM |
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i found a site with all the drawings for the chassis, and it also has the cad drawings on...
my work place has an engineering department, and we have our own in house designer... so the cad drawings could come in handy... the drawings that i
downloaded look really good, so was going to compare with the book to make sure they are the same...
the good thing is, the stuff i downloaded has a cutting list etc too, so i can get all the materials through work.. all the paneling can be punched
out etc...
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procomp
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 01:40 PM |
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Hi just to clarify a few things .
1. There is not a shortage of parts for people who are intending to race in the locost formula.
2. The best place to get info regarding building a car for the locost formula is the yahoo forum group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/locost-racing/
LINK
Where the people who are acctually racing in the formulahang out.
Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh but when many people asking questions regarding the locost racing formula are sent up the wrong garden path so manny
times by people on this forum who have verry little knowlege of the formula and it,s regulations it dose get a bit frustrating.
Again sorry if it sounds harsh. And it is not directed at anyone person either.
cheers matt
[Edited on 17/7/07 by procomp]
[Edited on 17/7/07 by procomp]
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CAD Monkey
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 02:16 PM |
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Good call.
For my part I was simply speaking from the perspective of a 'road' builder.
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D Beddows
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 02:44 PM |
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I agree with most of what Matt says BUT the yahoo group has always been distinctly average when it comes to technical stuff. Usualy a case of people
thinking they'll give the game away if they tell you too much which 9/10 tbh is ridiculous but...... :-)
Nowadays it's mostly used by people arguing/moaning about regulations or asking for spare tickets for races.
You do absolutely need to be a member to keep up with what's going on but once you know enough to filter out the irrelevant knowledge/advice I
still maintain you'll pick up more useful stuff on here
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simes43
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 03:58 PM |
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The place to be is at the race meetings in person.
I am always happy to discuss set up and what parts have been used where, when asked.
Its the only place for real detail.
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procomp
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| posted on 17/7/07 at 03:58 PM |
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Hi dave i agree entirely. But when we have had guys being told that they can run alloy dampers and alloy floors by people on here as well as other
costly mistakes such as being told that they can run the new chriss gibbs carr in locost.
not just but in the past.
where as they would have been put right on the basics by the yahoo group.
I guess at the end of the day it is down to the individual to do the correct research. But it dosent help with people not fully understanding the regs
are offering all manor of advice .
cheers matt
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