nick205
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 posted on 23/8/07 at 09:21 AM |
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Anne Widdecome - benefit culture
Who saw this program last night?
Excellent insight into the scrounging low life "world owes me a living" culture that this country seems to suffer so badly from.
The guy with 17 kids made my pi55 boil Unfortunately he's not alone in his attitude or beliefs.
What he needed was a lesson in economics by way of a feckin' good slapping
On a positive note at least the girls from Liverpool seemed to have cottoned on to the idea and are hopefully on the right track now
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MikeR
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 09:25 AM |
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Didn't see the program but let me ask you a question.
You can work in my garden all day, i need a shed painting, i need borders digging, i need a pond clearing. Nothing skilled but basic manual work, by
the end of the day you'll be tired.
OR
You can do a 20 minute walk & the rest of the day is yours (work in your own garden for example)
I'll pay you the same for both.
Which do you pick? Most people take the 20 minute walk to the benefit office. Why, cause its easy and lots of humans are inherently lazy.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 09:30 AM |
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Nothing new here,
I know someone that owns his own house (mortgage) and has not worked for 10 years by choice, just ticks the goverment boxes.
In the last 10 years we have paid his interest payments and he has claimed the doll, job seekers allowance etc..
In that time house has increased in value by around £150,000, so by not working his food is paid, his bills are paid, he avoids poll tax etc and has
made £15,000 p.a.
Now that really pisses me off.... because there is loads of work around here.
Hi answer is, I get £300 a month from the goverment, if I got a job that paid say £750 a month then once all the other bits are looked at I would be
working for less than a £1 a day so I,m not going to work.
Regards Mark
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smart51
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 09:51 AM |
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If you create a system where people can live happily without having to work, you can't be surprised that people make use of that system.
Most people don't like their work but do it to earn money for food and housing. If you give people a house, some money and discount their taxes
without working, why would you choose to work.
We need to differentiate between people who are unfortunately out of work and those who can't be arsed.
Child benefit seems to be the most abused so start there. Pay child benefit upto 3 children. If you want to have 12 kids, do it at your own
expense.
Living on the dole. You shouldn't be allowed. Been out of work for 10 years? Are there jobs in your area? Get one. I haven't got my
dream job, why should you refuse to do anything other than yours? By all means look for your ideal job but work in the mean time. Don't famous
actors work as waiters until they get their big break?
Large numbers of school children's ambition is "to go on the dole like my dad". Wrong. Job seeker's allowance should be
litterally that. If you haven't had a job, you can't have unemployment benefit.
All this is subject to there being jobs to have, of course. It isn't a simple matter, but people who won't work and who demand benefits
just annoy me.
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PaulBuz
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 10:14 AM |
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TAX CREDITS.
When the goverment invented the tax credit system, this country went down the crapper.
In the good old days you had to study hard at school & college, so that you got a good job that paid well.
Now days you just have to do the bare minimum & this goverment will top up your income regardless.
UTTER, UTTER, MADNESS
As a contractor I travel around to many companies.
Some of them are very busy, but they all say the same thing.
Overtime is a thing of the past.
They cannot get staff to work any overtime at all, because their tax credits will be reduced!
What other goverment on earth actually pays its subjects to stay at home?
ATB
Paul
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nitram38
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 10:55 AM |
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It cheeses me off too, but to some extent I can understand people doing it. (don't shoot me!).
I am an Electrician who did a 4 year apprenticeship and two extra years at colledge to take an ONC qualification.
In the last 5 years the pay rate for "tradesmen" has stayed the same. In effect this is a pay cut.
Don't believe the media that plumbers etc earn a fortune, a few do.
For the majority of construction workers, the wages are an existance and not a living.
The reason for this is the influx of east european labour. It is keeping wages down.
They are also giving the scroungers the excuse that wages are low.
These europeans are now claiming benefits too from a system that they never even paid into!
I'm not having a go at the east europeans either. They are just doing what I would do if a nice rich state was to offer me everything on a
plate!
[Edited on 23/8/2007 by nitram38]
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nick205
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 10:59 AM |
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Didn't think I'd be alone in my rant on this one.
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MikeR
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 11:08 AM |
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What amazes me is how this country is falling apart......
we all see the problems but we don't have a strong enough system (gov.) to enable someone to act. If we did, we'd probably all spend the
next 5+ years complaining as the upheaval hits.
As much as i agree that Thatcher is partly to blame for this (and the labour gov. before her). We need a thatcher type character to kick us up the
bum. Reality is we won't get one until the country is in the state it was in the late 70's.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 11:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Didn't see the program but let me ask you a question.
You can work in my garden all day, i need a shed painting, i need borders digging, i need a pond clearing. Nothing skilled but basic manual work, by
the end of the day you'll be tired.
OR
You can do a 20 minute walk & the rest of the day is yours (work in your own garden for example)
I'll pay you the same for both.
Which do you pick? Most people take the 20 minute walk to the benefit office. Why, cause its easy and lots of humans are inherently lazy.
As with most people onthis site i studied hard, worked hard and did it my way. If i was unfortunate enough to lose it all and have the choice above i
would work in your garden. However the difference being i would make myself a sign and a few fliers and make sure your neighbours knew about me. I
would be polite, conscientous and do the job to the best of my ability and charge a fair days pay for a fair days work. Im sure before long id have a
van, a few tools all paid for and maybe someone to help me.
What really makes me boil is why others cant do that. As said its pure laziness, wether self taught or imparted on by the previous generations.
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worX
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 11:23 AM |
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Sorry about the long quote, but I completely agree with Darren!
I hate my job, and tell everyone that asks me what I do, but I still turn up there every day because my gas, electric and mortgage won't pay
for themselves along with my toys. And I for one, would never choose to sit on my bum when I could be doing something.
Even if it meant that sitting on my bum and working a full day brought home the same money. I would work.
And I would hope, like Darren said, for something better, and work toward that.
cheers,
Steve
quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Didn't see the program but let me ask you a question.
You can work in my garden all day, i need a shed painting, i need borders digging, i need a pond clearing. Nothing skilled but basic manual work, by
the end of the day you'll be tired.
OR
You can do a 20 minute walk & the rest of the day is yours (work in your own garden for example)
I'll pay you the same for both.
Which do you pick? Most people take the 20 minute walk to the benefit office. Why, cause its easy and lots of humans are inherently lazy.
As with most people onthis site i studied hard, worked hard and did it my way. If i was unfortunate enough to lose it all and have the choice above i
would work in your garden. However the difference being i would make myself a sign and a few fliers and make sure your neighbours knew about me. I
would be polite, conscientous and do the job to the best of my ability and charge a fair days pay for a fair days work. Im sure before long id have a
van, a few tools all paid for and maybe someone to help me.
What really makes me boil is why others cant do that. As said its pure laziness, wether self taught or imparted on by the previous generations.
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scoop
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 12:36 PM |
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That woman should be in charge of the country. She talks straight nad isnt interested in this nanny state BS
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nick205
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 12:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scoop
That woman should be in charge of the country. She talks straight nad isnt interested in this nanny state BS
I have to say I'm warming to her line of thinking/speaking
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jacko
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 06:50 PM |
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As with most people onthis site i studied hard, worked hard and did it my way. If i was unfortunate enough to lose it all and have the choice above i
would work in your garden. However the difference being i would make myself a sign and a few fliers and make sure your neighbours knew about me. I
would be polite, conscientous and do the job to the best of my ability and charge a fair days pay for a fair days work. Im sure before long id have a
van, a few tools all paid for and maybe someone to help me.
What really makes me boil is why others cant do that. As said its pure laziness, wether self taught or imparted on by the previous generations.
Darren when can you come and do my garden
Graham
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richard thomas
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 07:55 PM |
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It's like this...
People like us graft for a living because we have a bit of self pride. It's what this once great country of ours was built on. What would have
happened if I.K.Brunell had signed on?
Those that don't want to graft, and intentionally suck off the rest of us have no part to play in today's society, and should be
sterilised so as not to be able to raise a family who will inevitably follow suit.
I'm all for the welfare state, we are a civilised, caring society - but the people who regulate it need to wake up.
JOB - stands for 'Just Over Broke' - but I'd rather do that than scrounge.
So there!
quote:
Originally posted by worX
Sorry about the long quote, but I completely agree with Darren!
I hate my job, and tell everyone that asks me what I do, but I still turn up there every day because my gas, electric and mortgage won't pay
for themselves along with my toys. And I for one, would never choose to sit on my bum when I could be doing something.
Even if it meant that sitting on my bum and working a full day brought home the same money. I would work.
And I would hope, like Darren said, for something better, and work toward that.
cheers,
Steve
quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Didn't see the program but let me ask you a question.
You can work in my garden all day, i need a shed painting, i need borders digging, i need a pond clearing. Nothing skilled but basic manual work, by
the end of the day you'll be tired.
OR
You can do a 20 minute walk & the rest of the day is yours (work in your own garden for example)
I'll pay you the same for both.
Which do you pick? Most people take the 20 minute walk to the benefit office. Why, cause its easy and lots of humans are inherently lazy.
As with most people onthis site i studied hard, worked hard and did it my way. If i was unfortunate enough to lose it all and have the choice above i
would work in your garden. However the difference being i would make myself a sign and a few fliers and make sure your neighbours knew about me. I
would be polite, conscientous and do the job to the best of my ability and charge a fair days pay for a fair days work. Im sure before long id have a
van, a few tools all paid for and maybe someone to help me.
What really makes me boil is why others cant do that. As said its pure laziness, wether self taught or imparted on by the previous generations.
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JoelP
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 08:47 PM |
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theres no cure for these bone idle sorts that sit around and do nowt, but at least we could have some fun forcing them to work. In the long run its
about pride really, if you dont mind living in a crap estate and having no prospect of self betterment, you may as well do nowt. But the gov shouldnt
make it so easy. People who choose not to work should have nothing.
But really, theres very little hope of getting a strong government. Our system doesnt encourage rapid change. People have been complaining about the
obvious flaws in this country for ages but nothing changes - have any prisons been comissioned for instance? There was all the debacle regarding
convicts going free due to overcrowding, the obvious solution is add 5k prision places in the short term - no sign of it happening! 5 thousand
convicts on the street cost society much more than the cost of building and running prisions.
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Gixer Indy
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 08:54 PM |
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I was made redundant last June,after 18yrs on the spanners! didn't fancy staying in the same trade,even though I did have a few offers.So I used
my redundancy cheque to buy a van and tools,now im in the property maintenance game,anything and everything considered,patio's,
painting,gardening! but last xmas,things went very quiet,so i thought i would go and sign on for a few weeks,until things pick up,as still had bills
to pay and kids to support.I enquired about retraining,thought i would do a decorating course while i was quiet,improve my skills a bit,only to be
told i would have to sign on for about 6 months before i would qualify to do any courses,as they were for the long term unemployed I paid
1000's into the system in 18yrs,but got bugger all help when i wanted it.Now I earn for me and mine,so as far as im concerned, tax man can go
and whistle.Im not working hard and giving it to any more lazy Sh1ts!
I feel better now
Flat out til you see God, then BRAKE!
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skydivepaul
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| posted on 23/8/07 at 10:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scoop
That woman should be in charge of the country. She talks straight nad isnt interested in this nanny state BS
me and our lass watched the programme last night and we said exactly the same!!
she should be prime minister of this country, no nonsense, straight talking and give a kick up the arse to scroungers, layabouts and all the other
tw@ts who make up excuses for not working.
the genuine people who are disabled or cant work should get the benfits but the system in this country is fooooooked and open to abuse
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