iank
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 05:08 PM |
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The inevitable appeal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7055644.stm
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Paul (Notts)
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 05:24 PM |
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3 teams made a mistake in practice and were punished.
Then during the race a team makes a mistake with fuel temp that could have gained them an advantage during the race and are not punished??
Sounds about right for F1
Paul
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billynomates
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 06:09 PM |
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I think we're about to see where the FIA really sit regarding Ferrari.
Look....
F(errar)IA
FIA(T)
what more evidence do you need.
Congratulations to Raikkonen though, he does deserve at least one title.
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fesycresy
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 06:28 PM |
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So if there is a fuel irregularity and no one is punished....
Does this set a presidence for the future ?
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The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 06:39 PM |
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As nice as it would be for lewis to win the championship, it would be a shame for him to win it on appeal. That said, after yesterdays race he
deserves it 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 06:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by billynomates
I think we're about to see where the FIA really sit regarding Ferrari.
Look....
F(errar)IA
FIA(T)
what more evidence do you need.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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billynomates
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 06:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fesycresy
So if there is a fuel irregularity and no one is punished....
Does this set a presidence for the future ?
If you read what the stewards are saying, it sounds like the fuel has to be compared against ambient temperature, but there are two seperate readings
for ambient temperature, and nobody knows which is the official reading. They also say that the temperature of the fuel is in some doubt.
So, why measure it then. If McLaren had been using 'cold' fuel, I doubt they'd be sweeping it under the carpet quite so quickly.
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phoenix70
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 06:58 PM |
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Mclaren are just grasping at straw trying to win a championship that they threw away, the faulty car in Brazil and the pitstop stupidity in China,
gave it to Ferrari.
The experts are saying that the fuel at the temperature it was may have gained the driver about 1 sec in the race (thats 1 second in the WHOLE race,
NOT 1 second a lap), so using Mclaren logic, the worst that should happen is the teams should get fined.
Another point, earlier in the weekend another team broke the rules on tyres and only got a small fine rather than any kind of grid/time penalty and
that was done so as not to interfere with the championship, after the hearing one team principle said that the extra set of tyre hadn't given
them any advantage.
Mclaren should take it on the chin and come back next year stronger. Some people think that they should have been completely thrown out after the
stepneygate.
[Edited on 22/10/07 by phoenix70]
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billynomates
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 07:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phoenix70
Mclaren are just grasping at straw trying to win a championship
[Edited on 22/10/07 by phoenix70]
What, like Ferrari have been doing all season, to good effect?
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Bitten hero
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| posted on 22/10/07 at 07:41 PM |
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Mclaren are completetly in the right if a team/teams broke the rules then they should appeal -after all if you had read the nigel stepney open letter
it looks like the biggest cheats got away with it in the first place.The stewards were prob doing what most other stewards do and rely on the appeal
system to sort out the s*$""* jobs. ferrari are only 20% of the grid but think that they are 95% of F1-
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Hellfire
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| posted on 23/10/07 at 11:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phoenix70
Mclaren are just grasping at straw trying to win a championship that they threw away, the faulty car in Brazil and the pitstop stupidity in China,
gave it to Ferrari.
The experts are saying that the fuel at the temperature it was may have gained the driver about 1 sec in the race (thats 1 second in the WHOLE race,
NOT 1 second a lap), so using Mclaren logic, the worst that should happen is the teams should get fined.
Another point, earlier in the weekend another team broke the rules on tyres and only got a small fine rather than any kind of grid/time penalty and
that was done so as not to interfere with the championship, after the hearing one team principle said that the extra set of tyre hadn't given
them any advantage.
Mclaren should take it on the chin and come back next year stronger. Some people think that they should have been completely thrown out after the
stepneygate.
100% Agree.
Phil
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Rob Palin
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| posted on 23/10/07 at 11:41 AM |
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The fuel temperature thing is spurious and only came about because of some particularly poorly-written FIA regs. They say that the fuel in the car
may be no more or no less than 10 degrees from ambient temperature. However, they only measure it *at the bottom of the inside of the refuelling
rig*. There is no direct measurement of the temperature inside the car's tank, which is what they're trying to police.
By the time the fuel has gone through the pump to get it up to the 12litres/second it feeds into the car it is 8-10 degrees warmer than the tank
sensor reports. This is due to be verified in tests during this week to keep McLaren happy.
I can understand why they felt the need to protest, but it's just another bit of crap under which F1 seems to be getting buried. As the
supposed pinnacle of motorsport it should be setting an example, but at the moment it's downright embarrassing!
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cjtheman
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| posted on 23/10/07 at 12:38 PM |
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i think that fia should remove the constructors points for the teams in question for that race and not punish driver just as they did with the spy
scandal that mclaren . as mclaren said with the spy buisness it wasnt the drivers fault so why should they be punished
mclaren quick to say that when there team is involved
i think ron dennis is an arse
cheers
colin
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sunny weather
sva pass 12/6/09
taxed 16/6/09
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phoenix70
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| posted on 23/10/07 at 12:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Palin
The fuel temperature thing is spurious and only came about because of some particularly poorly-written FIA regs.
You hit the nail on the head Rob, most of the recent problems (barring stepneygate) can all be attributed to poorly written regulations. Instead of
wasting time tweaking then, it is probably about time for a complete re-write.
Cheers
Scott
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