Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 06:41 PM |
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Give the guy a medal
This story pretty much sums up the state of this country as far as i am concerned - on the NW news.
Basically one of Lancashires most wanted armed robbers goes on the run, pulls a knife on a shopkeeper sat in his car, shopkeeper fights back and the
robber gets stabbed with his own knife!! Good you might say - serves the fcuker right. Problem is the shopkeeper now might face murder charges!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7252380.stm
Give the guy a medal i say!!!! Makes me really angry that the guy now has to even face the prospect of charges!!!
Am I alone in thinking its about time the law was changed to defend the victim (shopkeeper - not the scum who got what he deserved)??
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tks
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 06:45 PM |
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yeah its a problem wich has to do with the following.
Was it strictly nececary to kill/wound the other one???
- self devence??
or was it just a matter of madness and judging that he would need this..???
on first hand this looks like a perfect action but in the practise its a thing wich is very very difficult to control.
how can i judge how wrong you was to me and prove that your death/damage was OK???
IMHO only self devence can be accepted the rest of the punishement will be given in jail.... (i hope)...
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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bob tatt
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 06:47 PM |
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should make a bronze statue for the town square theiving scum bags win every way makes me real mad if hed stabed him all that would have happened is
youd of got the high on drugs bolloks he needs help no body will miss the scum bag anyway throw the remains in the canal might be a warning to other
would be knobs.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 06:48 PM |
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Good guys 1 - Scumbags 0 RESULT!
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 06:53 PM |
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Its this whole "reasonable force" thing that annoys me so much. Who knows what "reasonable force" is?? As far as i am
concerned if someone pulls a knife on someone then reasonable force is whatever it takes to defend yourself and if the scumbag dies then tough.
It was a single stab wound in this case and the shop keeper himself had facial injuries from the struggle so that to me is all i need to know to say
he used reasonable force.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 07:08 PM |
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Reasonable force is and ALWAYS will be excessive force to the PC brigade. According to the PC brigade the ONLY people who have any rights these days
are the
villains.:
mad::
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mad:
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 07:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
Its this whole "reasonable force" thing that annoys me so much. Who knows what "reasonable force" is?? As far as i am
concerned if someone pulls a knife on someone then reasonable force is whatever it takes to defend yourself and if the scumbag dies then tough.
It was a single stab wound in this case and the shop keeper himself had facial injuries from the struggle so that to me is all i need to know to say
he used reasonable force.
totally agree, and lets hope you're right!
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vinny1275
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 07:19 PM |
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SNAFU.
If someone comes at you with a knife, in my view, reasonable force would end up with them being stabbed. It is possible, and I've learned this
while learning medieval martial arts, to take a dagger from someone and restrain them. All very well in a classroom with wooden blades, no-one gets
hurt, but if it was for real, the scumbag would end up with their arm removed from its socket.
The instructor always used to joke about fights in our house, as swmbo and I were both learning the same stuff. 
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Rob Palin
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 08:07 PM |
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How exactly they define "reasonable" force baffles me. I'd suspect most of the judges who do it are not skilled in any fighting
discipline nor spent much time in life-threatening situations so how are they qualified to define what is reasonable in such circumstances?
To my mind, if someone attacks you with a deadly weapon and/or the situation suggests that your life is at stake then everything's fair game.
You're not going to pause during a life or death struggle and think "now, should i hit him just once or might two punches be
necessary?".
You didn't start it, so if they come off worse it's their own fault!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 08:12 PM |
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Doesnt murder require premeditation?? So if you say to yourself i am not gonna let this guy stab me does that therefore class as premeditation. I just
dont see how a murder charge could ever be brought against someone in that situation but thats what the news is reporting the guy may face!!
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Bitten hero
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 08:15 PM |
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just another reason why i am going to leave this crappy country- to many do gooders- and a completely spineless goverment.A police force that are not
allowed to sort the offenders out and would rather go for the innocent ones as they are easy to find!!!!!!!Perth australia brace yourself cos im
comming!!!!!!!(only prob dont think i can have a bec kit car there boo hoo)
[Edited on 19/2/08 by Bitten hero]
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 08:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bob tatt
should make a bronze statue for the town square theiving scum bags win every way makes me real mad if hed stabed him all that would have happened is
youd of got the high on drugs bolloks he needs help no body will miss the scum bag anyway throw the remains in the canal might be a warning to other
would be knobs.
Yeah , build a bronze statue so the thieving scum can nick it for scrap
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carpmart
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 08:45 PM |
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This guy (shopkeeper) needs to read this thread as he just has to ensure that he keeps saying to anyone who asks that he was about to be stabbed, he
feared for his life and he used the minimum amount of force he could to prevent this from happening.
The balance appears really incorrect nowdays! The shopkeeper needs some good legal advice quickly
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DarrenW
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 09:12 PM |
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If the villain had intent the shopkeeper is a hero i say. About time the law recognised this. The problem is the scum challenge the laws and make the
whole issue muddy. Too easy for someone clever to exploit the law for personal gain.
Its about time local plod saw that innocent people were doing society a favour and file a more favourable report - or turn blind eye when its truly
deserved. God knows how any judge can sleep at night if the guy gets convicted.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 09:15 PM |
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Reasonable force?
In my book, it is defined as; What ever it takes to render your assailant no longer a threat, up to and including using 'devices for ending
arguments'.
Better to be tried by twelve, than carried by six!
edit: If as in America, you kill someone in the commission of a crime, then surely it follows that if someone attacks you and as a result dies, then
the only logical verdict is suicide.
[Edited on 19/2/08 by Confused but excited.]
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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robinj66
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| posted on 19/2/08 at 09:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
Doesnt murder require premeditation?? So if you say to yourself i am not gonna let this guy stab me does that therefore class as premeditation. I just
dont see how a murder charge could ever be brought against someone in that situation but thats what the news is reporting the guy may face!!
Murder requires an intention to cause death or "serious bodiy harm".
The legal definition of intent is still open to interpretation and there isn't enough time in the day.
This guy would have say something damaging in interview to result in being charged with murder. However I would be surprised if he was convicted on
that charge if the case goes before a jury
[Edited on 19/2/08 by robinj66]
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 27/2/08 at 01:34 PM |
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Yay!! Common sense prevails!! The shopkeeper is facing no charges!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7266555.stm
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