AndyW
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 03:34 PM |
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wooden garage/workshop/shed
Any one here built there workshop or garage for there car? If you built a wooden one did you get planning permission or approval from the council?
Just bought new house with no garage but space at side to build on. Want to build a wooden one to start with until funds allow brick built one. Spoke
to the council and they want me to supply scaled drawings of the site, boundries and dimensions of the "shed".
Just wondered if anyone one had to get permission.....
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aerosam
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 03:45 PM |
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I think, but not 100% sure, that a garden shed, as a wooden structure, regardless of size (or even a bolt tegether metal one), as long as it
isn't directly connected to your house, counts as a temporary building and therefore requires no planning permission. Otherwise wouldn't
B&Q have to see your planning permission before selling you one?
Don't quote me on that though.
[Edited on 4/4/08 by aerosam]
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clairetoo
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 03:53 PM |
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Hiya - my first post so please be gentle with me 
I built a wooden `lean-to` garage on the side of my house when I built my Fury , I didnt bother with planning permission......some time later my
highly unpleasant neighbour complained to the council , and I was told that as it had been there nearly two years at that time , they couldnt tell me
to remove it and as a result I now have automatic planning permission should I ever decide to build something more permanent in its place !
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 03:56 PM |
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Hi clare. Welcome.
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D Beddows
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 03:57 PM |
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Yup and no to be honest planning permission for a wooden shed is a bit of a grey area (I'm an Architectural Technologist so I'm not
speaking completely out of my hat here) as it depends officially on when it stops being a temporary structure and becomes a perminant building and how
far from your house and the property boundaries it is.....
Odds are if you ask the local planning dept and it's any kind of size and anywhere near the house they probably will say you do - if you
don't ask them you will almost certainly get away without having it (obviously I'm speaking completely unofficially here and it does
depend a bit on the area and what kind of neighbours you have ) unless of course you realy p*ss the neighbours off with the noise etc. and the council
get involved. If at that point someone comes round and discovers you have power and lighting in the garage it'll be a bit harder to claim
it's a temporary structure but tbh if you show a bit of consideration it shouldn't come to that
I have to say that after years of having a blockwork garage I'm a convert to wood - it's much warmer and dryer and even bare metal takes
months and months to develop any rust!
[Edited on 4/4/08 by D Beddows]
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zilspeed
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 04:01 PM |
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Wooden garage / shed here.
As said above, sensible size, keep it not too noisy when working, keep the neighbours onside.
That's what I did / do and have had no problems.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 04:02 PM |
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fit some spare wheels to the side and claim its a caravan.
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clairetoo
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 04:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
fit some spare wheels to the side and claim its a caravan.
And best do it soon to avoid having to SVA it.....
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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rayward
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 04:14 PM |
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currently looking into this myself, and have been told it varies according to which council your under, excerpt below(from Hull City Council Website)
which was pointed out to me by a "man from the council"
"Do I need approval to build a detached garage, shed or similar structure in my garden?
The regulations do not apply to -
a single storey building with floor area no bigger than 30 square metres and no sleeping area such as a detached garage. The building must also be at
least one metre from the boundary of the property or mostly made of non-combustible material. (ie no timber in the roof construction
a detached building with a floor no bigger than 15 square metres and no sleeping area, for example a garden shed or greenhouse
However even if a structure itself is exempt from Building Regulations, fixed electrical installations may still be subject to control."
hth
Ray
[Edited on 4/4/08 by rayward]
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MikeR
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 04:53 PM |
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Why not have all the electrics run from two plugs. Every time you go in you run two leads out from the house and plug it in. Have one for lights,
music, beer fridge etc and one for workshop tools etc.
How can they claim its pertinent if you have to use an extension to power it?
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delboy
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 05:53 PM |
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Generally speaking the information below will guide you in the criterai where you can design your garage to not require Planning Permission, I hope it
helps.
BUILDINGS & STRUCTURES AROUND THE HOUSE
Generally you can build most things in your garden without planning permission, such as sheds, garages, greenhouses, swimming pools, summer houses,
tennis courts (and other enclosures say for pets).
HOWEVER, you will require planning permission in the following cases:-
Any building or structure between the 'original house' and the 'highway' unless there would remain at least 20 metres between
the new building/structure and any highway.
More than half the area of land around the 'original house' would be covered by additions or other buildings.
The building/structure is to be used for non-domestic purposes.
Where the building to be constructed or provided would have a cubic content greater than 10 cubic metres, any part of it would be within 5 metres of
any part of the dwellinghouse; see also volume .
The building/structure is to be more than 3metres high (4m if it has a ridged roof).
The building/structure is to have a volume more than 10m³ within the grounds of a Listed Building.
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Mal
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 06:21 PM |
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Permitted Development
Your local authority should have a booklet or on-line information giving details of small development such as sheds and detached garages not needing
planning permission.
As I remenber it some of the factors are:
Is it behind the building line?
Less than a certain % of the area of your garden.
Detached from your house.
Not higher than 4m.
If you find your local information you should be able to decide if it is required.
If you decide PP is not reqiured it would be sensible to write to your LA for confirmation.
Mal
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TOO BADD
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 07:42 PM |
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If the local planners have with withdrawn PD rights (permitted developement ) then you may be required to submit even a dog kennel for planning. This
does not cost the usual £145 fee as it is free. You would still have to submit the usual sets of paperwork.
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AndyW
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 08:00 PM |
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thanks for the replys so far, a mixed bag of results. Think i will submit the details even though its only going to be up for a year or two then I
will be applying for an extension. Still might just not bother as the only neighbour has a garage to the side of his house.
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owelly
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 08:59 PM |
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The council around here permit a wooden building, that is not more than a certain percentage of the footprint of the property, providing the structure
is no more than 1600mm high for a flat roof or 2000mm high for a pitched roof, and providing the structure is no less than 1000mm from your boundary.
It lead to an entire housing estate lifting their sheds, digging a hole 300mm deep and putting the sheds back!!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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D Beddows
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 10:16 PM |
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Has your house already got an extension/loft conversion? are you planning a HUGE blockwork/brick garage in a couple of years? if not are you
absolutely sure you'll actually need planning permission for that even? - because I'm not and although I don't do a lot of small
domestic stuff any more I actually deal with this kind of stuff for a living. Building regs approval is an entirely different thing and you would need
that (you wouldn't for your wooden shed though) but planning........ obviously you need to check there aren't any special conditions
regarding your property (surely your lawyer took you through anything like that when you bought the house though!?) but otherwise unless you're
planning it to cover more than half your garden or build it over 3m high.....
[Edited on 4/4/08 by D Beddows]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 10:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by delboy
Generally speaking the information below will guide you in the criterai where you can design your garage to not require Planning Permission, I hope it
helps.
BUILDINGS & STRUCTURES AROUND THE HOUSE
Generally you can build most things in your garden without planning permission, such as sheds, garages, greenhouses, swimming pools, summer houses,
tennis courts (and other enclosures say for pets).
HOWEVER, you will require planning permission in the following cases:-
Any building or structure between the 'original house' and the 'highway' unless there would remain at least 20 metres between
the new building/structure and any highway.
More than half the area of land around the 'original house' would be covered by additions or other buildings.
The building/structure is to be used for non-domestic purposes.
Where the building to be constructed or provided would have a cubic content greater than 10 cubic metres, any part of it would be within 5 metres of
any part of the dwellinghouse; see also volume .
The building/structure is to be more than 3metres high (4m if it has a ridged roof).
The building/structure is to have a volume more than 10m³ within the grounds of a Listed Building.
The above is how my local council dealt with my garage.
Mine was behind the building line, over 5m from the house, under 50% of the plot area and ridged roof of less than 4m height, they wanted to see
"outline plans" as you say with yours, but this was just to confirm that the development was exempt from planning permission.
I built a 10m x 5m block built garage with no planning permission and no problems, 5m behind my house.
To one side may be an issue.
Also built from wood may be an issue if its on or near your boundary, as this is often specifically not permitted (wording is around construciton from
largely non-flammable material)
Anything over 30 sq m will require building regs, not difficult but definitely needed.
On the other hand, if its chep and easy to take down and you have nice neighbours then just put it up anyway, worst case is you'll have to take
it down, but if no-one complains then that won't be until you move house!
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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MikeR
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| posted on 6/4/08 at 10:18 AM |
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Oi, thats not a garage in your back garden, its a workshop!!!!!
(and yes i'm still jealous of it)
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