Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:09 PM |
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Performing rights society ?
Ok, so how many of you listen to radio at work via a radio or maybe over the interweb ?
Local garage with two employees just fined £2k for listening to radio.
I'm lucky I'm not based at headquarters but they have had two phone calls now, the second one...... "we can here music in the
background, we will be doing random spot checks, if you are still listening to the radio you will be fined"
So now the lads on shop floor have no radio to listen to, quoted £1200 for a licence to listen ?
I know hard up musicians, but don't the radio station already pay a loyalty everytime they play a song ? As for local radio who is gonna pay to
advertise on there if all the day time listeners have been chased off ?
BTW two in a works van/car, need a license, how daft ?
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eznfrank
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:13 PM |
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What a bunch of old arse.
On the other hand, I wish they'd start fining these inbreds who walk around in vests in winter playing music from their phones - get some
earphones you f*@kwits!!!
And those who play music via their earphones so loud it is audible to all!!
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:28 PM |
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sorry I don't get this at all
what is this about? how can you get fined for listening to a radio???
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BenB
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:35 PM |
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Fraid it's true. We wanted to put a radio or CD player in our waiting room to make it nicer for everyone but couldn't without paying out.
Not sure whether we could if we were playing CDs of royalty free music though.....
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meany
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:38 PM |
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interesting reading on here, particularly about a possible scam.
http://www.fsb.org.uk/discuss/forum_posts.asp?TID=599&PN=1
[Edited on 11/7/08 by meany]
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richardh
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:38 PM |
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stealth tax
f in w-anchors the lot of these damn euro bums.
makes me sooooooooo
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RK
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:39 PM |
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Just don't all come to Canada at once, all right? But if you do, would you mind bringing a few parts with you while you're at it? Shirley
there is room for a bit of CF from the nice boys as Carbon Mods that wouldn't weigh much??
Sharing music is still pretty much unenforced as we speak, although there is an ISP in particular that "grasses people up" as you might
say.
[Edited on 11/7/08 by RK]
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liamb
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:48 PM |
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Hi,
I work in the radio industry and PRS and PPL are currently really screwing the industry. Ever wondered while all the web radio you listen to is ether
american, BBC or just a re-broadcast of local FM. It is because PPL and PRS effectively closed down all legal UK independent web radio by charging per
song, per listener!
The comment about local radio and advertisers is totally true and it is really hurting radio.
It is important to keep in mind taht these are commercial organisations that are contracted to collect money on behalf of the musicians, publishers
and record companies. There is no government money involved, just PRS (and PPL) looking to maximse profits. I have been told (off the record) that as
much of 80% of collected revenue goes in administative charges, certainly they have really nice offices in London.
Artists have a right to be paid for there work, I don't think many would disagree with that but what these organisations forget is that
listening to radio is still the primary way people here new music and they may not buy it from HMV or download from iTunes unless they hear it and
like it first.
Sorry to rant but it is an area I have strong views about!
Sorry
Liam
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:51 PM |
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Well all I will say is long live Lime wire and the like, I’ve downloaded masses of Gb’s of music for free burned tons of CD’s for friends & family
and I don’t give a toss so there. Can’t wait till the BBC dies either.
When the internet came along the music fee Gestapo lost all control and they’ll never get it back, what a shame freaks like Jackson and Britney are
loosing out on their millions, how I morn for them 
[Edited on 11/7/08 by Mr Whippy]
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RK
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 01:58 PM |
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The music people have also closed down several guitar tablature sites. How do they expect kids to learn to play guitar and work for them later on, get
addicted to drugs, become very frustrated, and die young?
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eznfrank
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 02:05 PM |
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Has anyone been succesfully prosecuted yet?? I can't imagine the Police or CPS would be particularly interested in thsi sort of thing??
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 02:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
I can't imagine the Police or CPS would be particularly interested in thsi sort of thing??
why not? Sounds just their kind of thing, little chance of danger, much safer than pursuing a drug dealer...
I saw someone buy drugs last night from a guy in a red BMX, so blatant, even saw him putting the packet in his pocket 
Anyway can tv detector vans really do what they claim?? Or is it just a scam?
[Edited on 11/7/08 by Mr Whippy]
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eznfrank
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 02:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
I can't imagine the Police or CPS would be particularly interested in thsi sort of thing??
why not? Sounds just their kind of thing, little chance of danger, much safer than pursuing a drug dealer...
I saw someone buy drugs last night from a guy in a red BMX, so blatant, even saw him putting the packet in his pocket
Anyway can tv detector vans really do what they claim?? Or is it just a scam?
[Edited on 11/7/08 by Mr Whippy]
Whilst it is safer I don't think they could easily justify the time spent as I would think it likely that the CPS would decline to prosecute on
the basis that there was likely no intent involved. I report stuff to the rozzers all the time and unless i've done all the work for them and
wrapped it up in a pretty pink bow they're usually not bothered. (they don't tend to like stuff they don't yet understand!!)
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britishtrident
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 02:31 PM |
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The lengths that are being gone to in the name of protection of copyright are getting out of hand, what is needed is a massive reduction in costs of
legal music, films and software and the problem of rip offs would vanish over night.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 02:34 PM |
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Probably explains the shear number of druggy in Aberdeen, I was told by my neighbour who is a retired cop that they (the police) were aware that drugs
were being sold outside the local primary school to kids going home from guys in parked cars. I kind of thought, well then why are they not being
arrested? very odd.
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splitrivet
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 03:04 PM |
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This started some time ago with the PRS in our industry (telecoms ) with music on hold.
It works like this.The PRS make a fishing call ringing businesses or just lately sending out letters and asking whether you have music on hold or play
music in the premises, the person who answers the phone probably doesnt have a clue what the PRS is or of the need for a licence answers in the
affirmative and whammo theyve gotcha. The letters are worded in a very threatening way spouting about £1000's fines and worded as if they have
already visited your premises and heard the music which they havent.
Personally I'd treat this as a legalised scam and its beneath contempt.
If they call you or write you a letter just say no, no music here guv.
I know ignorance of the law is no excuse but all in all a pretty stupid regulation if people dont hear music how are they going to buy it.
Cheers,
Bob
I used to be a Werewolf but I'm alright nowwoooooooooooooo
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 03:33 PM |
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the music version of parasitic wheel clampers, they should be publicly beheaded
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mr henderson
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 06:39 PM |
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Isn't it really to do with whether or not members of the public can hear the music being played on the radio? If they can then the music is
being performed in public. Yes, I know they are stretching a point but the PRS has been doing this stuff for decades, it's nothing new.
It's why background music is almost always recorded by other people rather than the original artists.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 07:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
The lengths that are being gone to in the name of protection of copyright are getting out of hand, what is needed is a massive reduction in costs of
legal music, films and software and the problem of rip offs would vanish over night.
100% spot on. Charge 50p for a bus ride into town, bus will be full, charge £3 you might get a couple on it, which price makes more profit for the
same outlay ?
Sorry, to easy peasy.
Going o/t but road tax debate, I know we don't want increases in fuel prices right now but scrap the road tax put whatever is required on fuel
and no more to cover the current road tax take job done. The more you use the more you pay, sorta catches the non tax paying dodgers to ?
Ah, sorry that's to simple to, think of the money saved printing all those tax discs and reminders etc........
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Peteff
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 07:29 PM |
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They did the same to the bike shop my friend runs, phone call and voice says we can hear music. He replied, yes it's some w@nker outside with a
car radio on full blast I'll be glad when he's gone and put the phone down. Never heard from them since.
On the tax fuel idea, you'd have to have MOT and Insurance stickers in the car window if road tax was on fuel
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/7/08 at 08:09 PM |
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luckily doesnt affect me as i work in peoples houses, so i cant stop them putting their radios on!
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