JoelP
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| posted on 19/9/08 at 08:02 PM |
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fair or not
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/7626302.stm
thoughts?
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TOO BADD
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| posted on 19/9/08 at 08:07 PM |
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I guess the dead kids families think so.
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Howlor
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| posted on 19/9/08 at 08:08 PM |
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It's like a vague news report.
Difficult one to call without all the detail.
Steve
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blakep82
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| posted on 19/9/08 at 08:19 PM |
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well, the dude from the shop was presumably breaking one or two laws by chasing them (speeding etc)
they wouldn't have been going so fast if he wasn't chasing, but then they shouldn't be nicking stuff...
maybes aye, maybes naw...
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JoelP
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| posted on 19/9/08 at 08:40 PM |
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i can see why they've jailed him, but it doesnt seem fair that the thieving twat who directly caused the deaths gets the same sentence as the
dude who had been robbed and wanted paying. The court obviously felt the need to send out a warning.
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LoMoss
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| posted on 19/9/08 at 10:29 PM |
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The (note capital) issue here is driving without due care. Both had the opportunity to cease at any time and continued to 'race'. And both
got their just deserts.
LEARN TO DRIVE!
Moss
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 01:21 AM |
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I agree with Howler - not enough info to judge!!
But on the face of it i'd say its harsh on the guy from the kebab shop - he was robbed and went after the thieves!! Good on him i say -
i'd back him no matter what but it seems our legal system is all set up to back th criminals!! If he was speeding to keep up to find out where
the thieving scum went then i'd never back a prosecution of any sort - its about time the law was changed to allow people to defend themselves
against the scum!! Its just like those who defend their own house in a burglary then get prosecuted when they beat the crap out of the burglar!!
Victims of crime should be defended by the law - not jailed and then deported!!! I'd happily give the guy a medal and a passport. As for the
kids families - frankly, tough - they died fleeing from a crime they commited no matter how minor some might see it. Clearly he saw it as enough to
drive too fast for and no doubt egged on by his mates!!! They wont do it again and i have no symathy for them!!
[Edited on 20/9/08 by Paul TigerB6]
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RK
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 02:53 AM |
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Not enough detail, but the kebab guy got a bit of harsh treatment from the sounds of it on the surface. I'm sure he wasn't getting rich at
his crap job before he managed to get robbed. He may need a better lawyer.
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novacaine
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 08:42 AM |
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I Think its fair enough,
Utter stupidity to get involved in a car chase, let alone for the measly sum of £14
By chasing them he put his life in danger, the theives lives in danger and other peoples lives at danger,
he hasnt been jailed for trying to get the £14 back, he was jailed for chasing a car and causing to the crash killing 3 people and putting other
peoples lives at danger
If he didnt give chase the theives would have just driven off and that would have been that
Fair enough i say !
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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oldtimer
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 08:47 AM |
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Just awful. Three deaths, two long jail terms and a deportation - all for £14. The problem is, still, or society. If people act as if nothing but they
themselves matter this is the sort of consequence you get - and that applies to both parties here. There is so little information in the article that
we have to look to the court who apportioned blame with all the facts before them.
Theft is clearly wrong, but the scale of reaction here was obviously considered disproportionate and contributory to the deaths. I, also, agree that
it would never had happened if the young fools had not done a runner.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 09:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
he hasnt been jailed for trying to get the £14 back, he was jailed for chasing a car and causing to the crash killing 3 people and putting other
peoples lives at danger
If he didnt give chase the theives would have just driven off and that would have been that
That seems a bit harsh to me. To blame the guy chasing for the crash. I would be more inclimed to blame the 'getaway driver', it's
far more likely that he caused the crash. He had the option to stop and give the food back, or pay for it, or apologise and offer to pay for it the
next day. He didn't have to drive away at a speed which caused him to crash
I also think that the BBC should not have published a report like that without providing a lot more detail
John
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 09:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
If he didnt give chase the theives would have just driven off and that would have been that
Fair enough i say !
So if some thieves stole something off you, you'd happily let them go on their way?? Would that be fair enough too??
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novacaine
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 09:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
If he didnt give chase the theives would have just driven off and that would have been that
Fair enough i say !
So if some thieves stole something off you, you'd happily let them go on their way?? Would that be fair enough too??
I Would not get into a car chase for £14
Is it worth riskin you life, other peoples lives or even the scum bags life (some may disagree)
I dont belive anyones life is worth risking for £14 even if they are some scum bag
and im 17, im meant to be the hot headed one 
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 09:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
I Would not get into a car chase for £14
You might just change your mind when it happens to you, and believe me, when someone tries to steal off you the last thing on your mind will be their
safety!!
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oldtimer
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 09:29 AM |
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I doubt any of those involved would have done it if they were able to see the consequences. People stabbed for trying to intervene in other
people's disputes don't do so knowing they will be killed. It's just all too late afterwards. I suppose none of us know how we would
react untill faced with such a situation.
Twice I have stopped to get out of my car to complain to the person behind me about their aggressive driving. My magistrate friend tells me that in
the eyes of the court this immediately makes me the aggressor....
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adithorp
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 09:35 AM |
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We don't have enough facts about this case to make a judgement and its not the level of journelism we should expect from the BBC. I think we all
agree that the thief should be jailed. The question is whether the shop owner should be.
If I was robbed then, yes, I would react but I hope I'd have the sence to know when my reaction was out of proportion to the crime. Would
chasing them down the crowded street wielding a sword be OK? After all I'm only trying to get my money back. Is 2 ton of car at speed any
different?
In this case we can assume niether car was travelling within or even close to the speed limit. For £14 should the shop owner risk my life? Should he
risk the lives of innocent bystanders?
adrian
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mr henderson
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| posted on 20/9/08 at 10:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
I Would not get into a car chase for £14
You might just change your mind when it happens to you, and believe me, when someone tries to steal off you the last thing on your mind will be their
safety!!
A very good point!. Maybe the shopkeeper didn't feel like being a victim that day. I don't feel like it any day
John
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