carpmart
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 10:20 AM |
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Overtaking in F1
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081002101642.shtml
Lets hope that the ideas in the link above really do work and we see F1 return to the truly great spectacle it should be.
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 10:28 AM |
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put them all in these!
 
lotus25
take aero and ground effect out of the equation. 
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blakep82
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 10:31 AM |
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seems they're looking to take F! design back to the early 90s like the days of the 7up jordan, without all these stupid extra bits hanging
off the sides, and front wings that scrape the ground on fast straights
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 10:34 AM |
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I think there are some good idea's. I especially like the ability to change the front wing angle twice a lap.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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MikeCapon
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 10:52 AM |
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Let's hope it works. F1 certainly needs something to pull it in the right direction.
Hard to believe that the FIA are behind this initiative. It's far too good, too logical, sensible and fair.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 10:56 AM |
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I use to watch F1 all the time but it got totally boring and the cars look like some thing from a bad space film. They should ditch the spoilers and
fit the cars with cheap remolds from kwik fit, then it would be interesting again, actually see some real driving skill for a change, who wants to see
a computer controlled car anyway.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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richardlee237
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:02 AM |
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I cannot believe that the FIA cannot legislate to remove devices whose sole purpose is to affect aerodynamic flow.
The only real way to improve is to reduce the cars susceptibility to disturbed air.
The problem with moveable wings, apart from the mechanical integrity (which is what killed them off before) is that all the drivers will use the wings
at the same place. Hence this will tend to nullify the effect while at the same time putting up the driver's workload and increasing the
liklihood of arriving at a corner with the wrong wing set.
On a lighter note, I always liked the idea of each driver having his own water bottle to spray the track behind, that would keep them on their toes
Quote Lord Kelvin
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Quote Richard Lee
"and cars"
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smart51
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:07 AM |
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twice a lap is a silly idea. Either let them do it at will or stop them from doing it. If it is acceptable why limit them. If it is not, why let
them do it at all. Otherwise you'll end up with McLaren getting penalties because they did it a millimetre sooner on one lap than the previous,
making it technically 3 times in 1 lap.
Make the rules simpler.
The biggest problem with F1 is that teams win because of fuel and tyre strategy rather than driver ability. I want to see racing.
Here's my proposal:
No refuelling. Carry all the fuel you need for the race in your tank.
No tyre changes other than for punctures or collision damage. Most other forms of motorsport can find tyres that will last for 200 miles.
No traction or braking aids. Let the good drivers out handle the bad ones.
Bring back V10 engines. They sounded much better.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:17 AM |
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
seems they're looking to take F! design back to the early 90s like the days of the 7up jordan, without all these stupid extra bits hanging
off the sides, and front wings that scrape the ground on fast straights
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blakep82
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
twice a lap is a silly idea. Either let them do it at will or stop them from doing it. If it is acceptable why limit them. If it is not, why let
them do it at all. Otherwise you'll end up with McLaren getting penalties because they did it a millimetre sooner on one lap than the previous,
making it technically 3 times in 1 lap.
Make the rules simpler.
The biggest problem with F1 is that teams win because of fuel and tyre strategy rather than driver ability. I want to see racing.
Here's my proposal:
No refuelling. Carry all the fuel you need for the race in your tank.
No tyre changes other than for punctures or collision damage. Most other forms of motorsport can find tyres that will last for 200 miles.
No traction or braking aids. Let the good drivers out handle the bad ones.
Bring back V10 engines. They sounded much better.
remember they did away with tyre changes a few years back. i thought it was rubbish.
hmm, adding ballast weight like they do in other motorsports is the way forward lol
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blakep82
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
mmm
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:46 AM |
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Can't see it happening myself at the moment. GP2 cars are around 7 secs a lap slower than F1. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport ergo big changes
would need to be made to lower the status of GP2 first.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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RK
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:52 AM |
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I like the no refuelling idea. If you're low, then others will be see you slowing down to conserve and pass. Simple. Changing aerodynamics is
another way to have costs stay astronomical. I totally fail to see why you need 500 employees to go racing.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 11:55 AM |
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Some of the US cars (Champ?) have a 'push to pass' button that gives them a short-term power boost that they can use when they want.
The trick is that it has a strict time limit per race - the track marshall sets a maximum 'push to pass' time of, say, 30 seconds per race
(set according to the track). Drivers have to decide whether to use it during the race, or to save it for the last lap.
The best bit is that the marshalls, pit crews, and audience all know what's been used as the race goes on - adds a bit of spice!
Here's a better description
The difficult bit is that Champ cars all use the same Cosworth engine, so adding the button is relatively easy and ensures that everyone gets the same
power boost. It might be harder for F1, where every engine is different. Not impossible though.
[Edited on 2/10/08 by David Jenkins]
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smart51
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 12:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
quote:
Originally posted by smart51
...No tyre changes other than for punctures or collision damage. Most other forms of motorsport can find tyres that will last for 200 miles...
remember they did away with tyre changes a few years back. i thought it was rubbish.
But they didn't change the tyres to ones that would last, they just kept the old ones on till they blistered and delaminated. I suspect that
they wanted that plan to fail so made no attempt to fit tyres that will last a whole race.
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scudderfish
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 01:08 PM |
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No refueling would also have the benefit of making the behaviour of the car significantly different over the course of the race as the weight changes.
All the better to sort out the good drivers from the seat warmers
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RK
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 01:12 PM |
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There are a few problems with the old champ car push to pass thing: firstly, they were turbo cars with limiters on the turbos. The push to pass opened
them up a bit that's all. Secondly, they didn't succeed very well did they, because the series is extinct!
Most passing during their races was because of 1. very short tracks and 2. lots of yellow flags, which artificially lumps everyone together (as we saw
in Singapore). The best car doesn't win in that scenario, as we saw. 3. car acceleration that is nothing like an F1 car, so the cars don't
spread out as much.
[Edited on 2/10/08 by RK]
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 04:07 PM |
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Just out of curiosity, did any of you spot the ferrari boss spitting the dummy on the ceefax pages where the quote came from this bbc internet page
click here to link
you need to get to the third paragraph.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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RK
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 04:48 PM |
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His sponsors bought and paid for a victory. No wonder he's a bit upset.
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 05:10 PM |
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quote:
It was a bitter day, but there are three races left and I have faith in all of Ferrari's men
His faith is misplaced methinks.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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LBMEFM
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 05:44 PM |
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Push to Pass buttons work OK in A1GP. But the best way to solve the problems of F1 is to stop watching it, the sponser's will pull out and the
whole sorry thing will die, thank God, and then we can watch real motorsport again. Rally X, World & British Super Bikes, touring cars and the
countless bril club racing throughout the country most weekends.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 2/10/08 at 07:35 PM |
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Trouble is, unless you pay for your TV channels, you rarely see good circuit racing of any kind. M&M show the world rally championship, but apart
from that - next to nothing.
When I used to pay for Sky I saw 2 really great races: the first was a Legends race - absolutely cracking to watch, with overtaking every 100 metres
and the occasional off-track excursion. The winning pack were still together at the finish line. The second was a Caterham race - tough but
sportsmanlike racing that was very entertaining.
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