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greglogan - 6/1/06 at 10:17 PM

Can anyone suggest alternate hubs/uprights for the Locost instead of the Cortina ones suggested in the book as these seem nearly impossible to find now.


graememk - 6/1/06 at 10:20 PM

theres a pair on ebay nearly every week normally go around the £100 mark (ok inc delevery or collection) what ever theres still loads of them around.

[Edited on 07/03/77 by graememk]


big_wasa - 6/1/06 at 10:27 PM

No they are not,you may have to pay a bit and you may need to travel a bit but keep looking as they are about.

ebay link

ebay link 2

And mine.

[Edited on 6/1/06 by big_wasa]


Deckman001 - 6/1/06 at 10:39 PM

Triton was talking about doing some uprights and there's all ways ally hubs to go with them

Jason


Ian Pearson - 6/1/06 at 11:14 PM

B****y Hell big_wasa, you were stung for P&P. Last pair I sold, I posted for about £12.00 IIRC.


RazMan - 6/1/06 at 11:31 PM

Aren't the Granada uprights useable, with just a bearing change?


Canada EH! - 6/1/06 at 11:42 PM

I believe that Hyundai Stellar's 85-87 were sold in the UK, if so they are an exact copy of the Cortina, I have a pair(not for sale) also the brakes are a Girling clone dual piston. If they rotted over there as they did here there should be in the wrecking yards.


gazza285 - 6/1/06 at 11:53 PM

Sierra ones are popular. Need an insert in the top though. There's another thread on here about Triumph ones. I've considered Alfa ones before, although they are rear steer, but with the room in the front of a Locost it shouldn't be a problem. Mazda MX5 and possibly RX7 and a vast number of aftermarket Cortina clones, racecar uprights and the like means we are not quite doomed to failure yet.


big_wasa - 7/1/06 at 08:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ian Pearson
B****y Hell big_wasa, you were stung for P&P. Last pair I sold, I posted for about £12.00 IIRC.



Nahhh I collected them m8 Tenner in fuel.......Who are you using for your post because £25 sounds about right for the weight by standard parcell ?


ADD - 7/1/06 at 09:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
Aren't the Granada uprights useable, with just a bearing change?


The granada hubs are 5 stud not 4. They also have a different geometry to both cortina and sierra. The hole where the shock would normally slot into is also a different diameter. I am building from a donar Granada and even granada parts are difficult to come by.

[Edited on 7/1/06 by ADD]


greglogan - 7/1/06 at 09:42 AM

Thanks guys. I suppose I should have said that I live in Ireland and Cortinas are practically none existent. Also postage for something like a pair of hubs etc to Ireland is a rip-off. That's why I wondered if anything else would do.


Danozeman - 7/1/06 at 09:53 AM

Scan ebay and have a weekend away over here using ryan air. Then you can collect!!


Peteff - 7/1/06 at 10:22 AM

That's what the location bit is for in your profile . Somebody might agree to hold them for you till you get chance to pick them up if you wait for a good flight deal. Have a look on Martin's for Ryanair deals, some are for tax and insurance only so you could be looking at £30ish for the trip.


Wadders - 7/1/06 at 11:10 AM

IIRC MNR are producing uprights from a design by Rorty, try their website for prices etc, should be lighter than tina ones and you wont have the hassle of refurbing them.


RazMan - 7/1/06 at 12:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Wadders
IIRC MNR are producing uprights from a design by Rorty, try their website for prices etc, should be lighter than tina ones and you wont have the hassle of refurbing them.

They are doing them for £395 inc vat which isn't too bad


Raceleda Aluminium Upright Kit ( High Quality Light Weight Replacement For The Cortina Upright )
Body from LM25 cast aluminium.
Heat treated to TF condition (ISO 9001).
Precision machined (ISO 9001).
Finished in Alochrome 1200
X-rayed and penetrative dye tested.
Helicoil threaded inserts used through out.
Stainless steel inserts fro pick up points.
Stub axles in EN8 steel.
Steel replaceable steering arms
Includes Hubs






[Edited on 7-1-06 by RazMan]


Wadders - 7/1/06 at 04:49 PM

Yeah the raceleda ones are lovely, but the ones i'm on about, are fabbed in steel and much cheaper, there's a thread in the MNR section somewhere.

Al


zilspeed - 7/1/06 at 05:08 PM

I really like the truncated escort mark II strut as used in the likes of the Fisher Fury. I had one in my hand the other day. Way lighter than the sierra one. And I'm told the geometry is better - although I can't confirm this. A neat conversion as well.


Mark18 - 7/1/06 at 09:37 PM

Cortinas are around in Ireland - farmers car of choice. In fact there's probably more of them around with less kit builders, the tricky thing is finding them - scrappts won't take them cause they're worthless.

Mark


Mark Allanson - 7/1/06 at 09:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Canada EH!
I believe that Hyundai Stellar's 85-87 were sold in the UK, if so they are an exact copy of the Cortina, I have a pair(not for sale) also the brakes are a Girling clone dual piston. If they rotted over there as they did here there should be in the wrecking yards.



They only sold 37, 35 rusted away by 1991, the other 2 were written off


jock - 7/1/06 at 10:40 PM

must have sold 38 cos 1 got raced at cowdenbeth as a stockcar thes guys can allways turn up thes try them for sum


Mark Allanson - 7/1/06 at 10:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jock
must have sold 38 cos 1 got raced at cowdenbeth as a stockcar thes guys can allways turn up thes try them for sum



Nah I knew about that one, thats one that I classed as written off!


greglogan - 8/1/06 at 09:28 PM

So....... to ask what is probably a very stupid question (even for a newbie) Why won't Sierra front hubs do???


Mark Allanson - 8/1/06 at 10:38 PM

They will, but they are heavy, the geometry is a little off the plan, and you have to redesign the wishbones


britishtrident - 8/1/06 at 11:53 PM

I know where thers a rwd stella but ain't telling.


Ian Pearson - 9/1/06 at 10:39 AM

quote:

Nahhh I collected them m8 Tenner in fuel.......Who are you using for your post because £25 sounds about right for the weight by standard parcell ?



Pharos International, very reasonable rates.


greglogan - 10/1/06 at 06:12 PM

Ok. Cat amongst the pigeons time methinks........ Why does someone who can (def not me!) not redesign the front wishbones to accomodate a new front hub that is easier to obtain? Or is that an even stupider question??


cymtriks - 10/1/06 at 09:42 PM

From manufacturers we have-
MGF
Mazda MX5
Elise

After market we have-
Luso Motors
Raceleda
Quaife Sierra/Focus/Fiesta/RS200
Quaife RC40/universal upright (RC40 is a middy race car, don't know what universal upright fits onto)

From the past-
Triumph GT6 (as used by Caterham)

Raceleda state that their uprights are direct replacements for the Ford Escort/Granada/Cortina types. That means no mods but a big offset.

Luso have a clever universal design that can be used front or rear, driven or un-driven, left or right and as-cortina or reduced-scrub. IIRC the reduced scrub is 15mm though I can't find that on their website. Has anyone on here ever had dealings with Luso? Does anyone use these uprights?

The Quaife stuff is eye wateringly expensive but the RC40 uprights and the universal uprights have to be about as good as you'll ever get.

At the other end of the price scale there are at least 4 possibilities-

The Elise is now over 8 years old (doesn't time fly!) so there are bound to be a few turning up in a scrap yard or breakers near you soon.

The MGF is another obvious candiate especially for middys.

The MX5 is already used for Seven type cars over the Atlantic.

The Triumph GT6 used to be the universal cheap motorsport and kit-car unit.

Has anyone got scrub and KPI for any of the above?

I've got the Elise as being 12 degrees kpi and 10.5mm scrub and the MX5 as being zero scrub. Has anyone got GT6 or MGF values?


greglogan - 10/1/06 at 11:41 PM

So are the MX5 ones a direct replacement or are modifications needed. My problem is I am reluctant to commit to a build if I am unsure about availability of the core components. I doubt I would have the engineering ability to create a set of wishbones to suit a new hub off the cuff.


scotmac - 14/1/06 at 09:46 AM

I have had a email chain going w/ Luso Motors for about 3 months. Well, not really a chain...basically, i send them message, and then wait indefinitely for a reply. In fact, over those 3mos, i have probably sent them about 10-15 emails, and, other than automatic replies, i have received EXACTLY *ONE* reply. After about a month and a half of emails, Ernesto (the owner) replied that he would get back to me in a couple of days. That was about a month and a half ago, and i have seen NOTHING since.

I agree that the luso design looks very good. But it does not appear like they want to do business.