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Thinking of changing my X-flow to Zetec
myeates - 4/12/08 at 10:02 AM

Hi all

im thinking of upgrading my car from a 1.3 x-flow to a 1.6 or 1.8 zetec. Im trying to find out roughly how much work i will need to do to my car, the car is a book built 7, how much bigger is a zetec than a x-flow. I have a type 9 gearbox so should bolt straight to that. but in terms of body modifications what might i need to do with nosecone and bonnet if anything.

What is the best way to run a zetec megasquirt or other want to eventually be able to map the engine myself but all the electronics are all new to me.

look forward to your replies

Mark

02GF74 - 4/12/08 at 10:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by myeates
how much bigger is a zetec than a x-flow.



I looked into this but backed out as I did not want to put bulges in my bonnet.

The zetec is bigger on all dimentsion but most significanlty is is taller, not surprising due to having ohc.

I have the measurements of interest to you somewhere so if nooone else posts, I'll dig'em out or re-measure.

stevebubs - 4/12/08 at 10:22 AM

I believe there's only 2 or 3 "locost" sets of bodywork tall enough to take a zetec or similar without either having it hanging down below the chassis rails or creating a bulge.

Electrics-wise, it's down to your budget. I went the emerald route, but only because I could get a cost-effective upgrade from my previous emerald.

Megasquirt-n-Spark-EDIS would work just as well.

tul214 - 4/12/08 at 10:28 AM

There is a comparison page on here if it helps?
http://westfield-world.com/enginespecs_car.html

RoadkillUK - 4/12/08 at 10:40 AM

I can say that a Zetec will fit under the standard bodywork in a standard book chassis.

Myself and my brother did the conversion but I'm not good at explaining things.

The only mod we did I think was to cut and shut the sump. Also had to make an alternator bracket. There's more to it than that but it's relatively easy.

HTH.

myeates - 4/12/08 at 10:51 AM

thanks dimensions helpful. thats one thing i thought about is a remote sump so may be able to drop it down more.

Roadkill how far down did you drop your engine?

what sort of prices should i expect to pay for the electrics, any internet links?

thanks

coozer - 4/12/08 at 10:53 AM

I've just ripped the 1.8 put of my car in order to fit a 2L. Sitting on the trolly its 23" tall, unmodded sump tho so some inches could be gained.

My set up with carbs, edis and Megajolt cost less than £500. You'll have to factor in a new exhaust tho as it comes out the other side.

I'm selling the engine with water rail if your interested

Steve


[Edited on 4/12/08 by coozer]

02GF74 - 4/12/08 at 10:55 AM

Yeah, you can ofcourse chop the sump or dry sump it to drop the engine down BUT the lowest part is the engine-gearbox mounting plate that sits further toward the middle of the wheelbase and will be what grounds first so I could not see any benefit in doing that.

UncleFista - 4/12/08 at 10:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by myeates

Roadkill how far down did you drop your engine?
thanks


We (me an Roadkill) bought a CVH sump, chopped part of it off and rewelded it back on for more oil capacity.


CVH sump for Zetec
CVH sump for Zetec

That gives enough clearance (maybe an inch hanging below the chassis) to fit the engine under the bonnet with millimetres to spare

It's a squeeze, but pretty straightforward

maartenromijn - 4/12/08 at 11:12 AM

I am still doubting what to do, will it be possible for me as non-UK based to get my locost SVA'd. If so, I think I will need to change my Xflow setup to a Zetec as well.

What about engine and gearbox supports? Are they the same for Xflow and Zetec? I guess they will have to be modified as well?

myeates - 4/12/08 at 11:34 AM

was looking at the zetec with the exhaust on the same side as mine think its the older one not sure yet

what price you looking at for your engine Steve ?



[Edited on 4/12/08 by myeates]

whitestu - 4/12/08 at 01:47 PM

quote:

was looking at the zetec with the exhaust on the same side as mine think its the older one not sure yet


That'll be a Zetec SE. Lovely engine but It won't bolt straight to a RWD Ford gearbox.


Stu

myeates - 4/12/08 at 03:05 PM

hi i thought it would what needs doing to make it fit is it just the bellhousing change

iank - 4/12/08 at 05:30 PM

Regular Zetec size (including marked up pictures) here
http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/zetectune.shtml

MikeRJ - 4/12/08 at 07:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by myeates
hi i thought it would what needs doing to make it fit is it just the bellhousing change


Yes, you need a Zetec SE bellhousing and a spigot bearing to fit a Type 9 to it. Shawspeed can supply them, but they aren't overly cheap.

quote:
Originally posted by UncleFista
We (me an Roadkill) bought a CVH sump, chopped part of it off and rewelded it back on for more oil capacity.


What's the bolt welded to it for?

[Edited on 4/12/08 by MikeRJ]

UncleFista - 4/12/08 at 07:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ

What's the bolt welded to it for?

[Edited on 4/12/08 by MikeRJ]


It's just tacked on for the earth, the sump's a difficult shape to get a welding clamp on

MikeRJ - 4/12/08 at 07:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by UncleFistaIt's just tacked on for the earth, the sump's a difficult shape to get a welding clamp on


Ahh, that makes sense. I was thinking it was an (not very) early warning system for speed bumps

myeates - 4/12/08 at 08:44 PM

thanks guys

which if any zetec will go straight to the type 9 box ? without spending the 230 quid on the bellhousing

thanks

mark

iank - 4/12/08 at 09:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by myeates
thanks guys

which if any zetec will go straight to the type 9 box ? without spending the 230 quid on the bellhousing

thanks

mark


Zetec-E (Zeta) from a mondeo or a escort.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zetec

Get the 2.0 or 1.8.

myeates - 5/12/08 at 03:22 PM

thanks will look out for one of those then

what are the options for getting a spark and fuel injections just looked and megasquirt is expensive as i thought it would be, may just have to save my pennys

coozer - 6/12/08 at 04:37 PM

I'm after £200 for my engine, I also have a bellhousing spare if you need one

Check this THREAD

Steve