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More POWER needed after nurburgring! Suggestions?
Chaz - 29/7/09 at 01:35 PM

I have just got back from the Ring this weekend and i definitely need more power for my MK Indy!

I have a 1.8 Zetec and was going to supercharge it, but i dont think even that will quench my thirst for super car beating power!

I have three criteria;
1. Only a CEC will do
2. I want a different sound (not inline 4 its boring me)
3. 300bhp should be easily achieved.

So the floor is open gents,

Anyone fitted an M3 engine to an MK?


ss1turbo - 29/7/09 at 01:42 PM

The Volvo T5 lump and (I think) 960 gearbox..?


liam.mccaffrey - 29/7/09 at 01:43 PM

volvo t5, like me, cheap power awesome noise

or volvo redblock, even cheaper and more power again


EDIT
damn, not quick enough

[Edited on 29/7/09 by liam.mccaffrey]


cd.thomson - 29/7/09 at 01:44 PM

go rotary, 1.3 rx7 engine?


ss1turbo - 29/7/09 at 01:47 PM

Great minds think alike, liam...

Unless you go for something very large (i.e. V8), you're looking at forced induction one way or another. If money is no object, then hunt down a M3/M5 3.6 engine...but its long and heavy..


omega0684 - 29/7/09 at 01:50 PM

V8 twin turbo?


jeffw - 29/7/09 at 01:53 PM

Aerodynamics play a large part with Ring laps simply because of the number of very high speed sections. This is something you will not achieve easily with a 7 style car.

As a for instance my Phoenix with a 2lt Zetec has something like 20mph top speed advantage over my friends Tiger which is running a Duratec.


tomgregory2000 - 29/7/09 at 01:54 PM

engine and gearbox from a nissan 300zx, v6 twin turbo, 300bhp easy and a short engine
you can get a whole car for less than £2000


beagley - 29/7/09 at 02:19 PM

quote:
If money is no object....


Then this might be a good option. Nothing like a 400 hp v8 busa engine, throw on some forced induction and you're looking at huge power for very light weight. The base motor is only $28,500 USD

Here's a pic for you all to lust after...

H1 V8 Busa
H1 V8 Busa


Over 1000hp possible with forced induction

Over 1000hp possible!!
Over 1000hp possible!!


Beags

[Edited on 7/29/2009 by beagley]


Chaz - 29/7/09 at 02:41 PM

V8's are too big i think.

I agree with the wind resistance, it definately doesnt help with mpg! (which you notice driving to the ring)

Anyone done a rotary engine then? Any links to these volvos engines you're talking about?


HOL - 29/7/09 at 02:47 PM

Wouldn't your chepest/eaiest/quickest option be to Turbo your Zetec?

At least you know everything mounts.

But 300Bhp will need a steady supply of gearboxes.


beagley - 29/7/09 at 02:49 PM

For a more realistic engine, I'm a fan of the Nissan VQ35DE which was/is used in the 350z. There is also the VQ37DE, but those are quite new and very costly.

OEM, the VQ35DE has 300hp and can easily be tuned for much more. It's fairly compact and has a good track record. IMO this would be a great engine to use. You can find a wrecked 350z on the cheap and get both the motor and tranny from it.


Chaz - 29/7/09 at 02:56 PM

HOL - I have an MT75 gearbox so that could take the power , but i really want to change to an interesting sound!

Beagley - Thanks for the suggestion, i'll look into it, i can imagine that the gearbox is big!


zzr1100rick2 - 29/7/09 at 03:14 PM

cant beat the sound of a rotary almost makes your ears bleed


nstrug - 29/7/09 at 03:17 PM

Turbo 13B from an RX-7. Can get loony power, and it's incredibly light. Antnicuk has one in his Stylus - having seen it in action at Woodbridge I can confirm it's very quick. The 3 foot long flame coming out the exhaust (all the time, not just on the overrun) looks cool too.

Nick


nstrug - 29/7/09 at 03:19 PM

Oh, and according to my mate who works in F1, there is no such thing as 'too much power', only incorrect gearing.

Nick


liam.mccaffrey - 29/7/09 at 03:27 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Modular_engine

for starters


beagley - 29/7/09 at 03:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chaz
HOL - I have an MT75 gearbox so that could take the power , but i really want to change to an interesting sound!

Beagley - Thanks for the suggestion, i'll look into it, i can imagine that the gearbox is big!


I'm working on a shipping weight and dimensions for you at the moment. I didn't think it would be this hard to find an OEM parts dealer that's open by lunch!

[edit] Spoke to a company and said the shipping weight is 63.5kg and the dimensions of the box are 79x20x20

Hopefully this will give you an approximate size of the thing. Good luck!

[Edited on 7/29/2009 by beagley]


tomprescott - 29/7/09 at 05:24 PM

Nissan SR20DET, still a 4 cyl but very tuneable and turbo in standard form, lots of scope for easy tuning - the kind of engine you can get 350bhp out of quite easily.


Werner Van Loock - 29/7/09 at 06:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chaz
V8's are too big i think.

I agree with the wind resistance, it definately doesnt help with mpg! (which you notice driving to the ring)

Anyone done a rotary engine then? Any links to these volvos engines you're talking about?


Here you go:

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=113867


froggy - 29/7/09 at 06:44 PM

saab b234r 2.3 225hp as standard will run 280hp with a simple re- map . i bought a complete car for £600 with 140k on it the engine is superb and now with a hybrid td04 turbo and bigger injectors runs 360hp . a rough car can be picked up for a few hundred and getting to 350hp is around £700. omega box will bolt straight onto a post 94 engine. cant think of a cheaper way of making that sort of power


ss1turbo - 29/7/09 at 06:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by froggy
saab b234r 2.3 225hp as standard will run 280hp with a simple re- map . i bought a complete car for £600 with 140k on it the engine is superb and now with a hybrid td04 turbo and bigger injectors runs 360hp . a rough car can be picked up for a few hundred and getting to 350hp is around £700. omega box will bolt straight onto a post 94 engine. cant think of a cheaper way of making that sort of power


Does a turbo qualify as a "new soundtrack"? If so, i'll put a vote in for the Saab/Omega combo...


afj - 29/7/09 at 07:02 PM

how about a mitsubishi galant/legnum 2.5 twin turbo or my choice would be an honda S2000 motor 240HP


Chaz - 29/7/09 at 07:08 PM

Anyone done an M3 engine before?

I bet they are pretty big!


NS Dev - 29/7/09 at 07:34 PM

saab turbo or volvo turbo.

As froggy says, saab lump bolts stright to omega box and mv6 omega R28 box is tough, we have one living doign drag racing with 400hp turbo vauxhall XE lump in front of it.

to use the saab though you really need aftermarket management, std ecu is no good due to various things


jpindy3 - 29/7/09 at 08:49 PM

coz
coz


you will find it hard to fit a bigger turbo d engine in the indy,this is very tight as it is

[Edited on 29/7/09 by jpindy3]


Volvorsport - 29/7/09 at 09:28 PM

have a search for benzine , hes got the volvo 6 in his .

the 5 cylinder is certainly doable , well so is the redblock , but your after an audible soundtrack which i guarantee the 5/6 cylinder is .


Benzine - 29/7/09 at 09:30 PM

The correct answer is: Volvo



quote:
Originally posted by jpindy3


you will find it hard to fit a bigger turbo d engine in the indy,this is very tight as it
is:


Could the engine/gearbox not move back a lot? I've got a straight six in my indy okay space wise. If the turbo is a tight fit with the standard manifold then build a custom one ^_^


quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
have a search for benzine , hes got the volvo 6 in his .



T'was I who went to the ring with him so he knows me pretty well

[Edited on 29/7/09 by Benzine]


Volvorsport - 29/7/09 at 10:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWyAMT_DBMU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzDCkZh7fM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWzC3dLLaAM&feature=related

those were redblocks

these are whiteblocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGDxgYWG5MU&feature=related

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/First-run-OFI-Volvo-242_143660.htm


ss1turbo - 29/7/09 at 10:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev

to use the saab though you really need aftermarket management, std ecu is no good due to various things

The Trionic5 setup (sans VSS) will run standalone and with the software is pretty much mappable however you want. Why is it no good?


Tralfaz - 30/7/09 at 01:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by beagley
quote:
If money is no object....


Then this might be a good option. Nothing like a 400 hp v8 busa engine, throw on some forced induction and you're looking at huge power for very light weight. The base motor is only $28,500 USD

Here's a pic for you all to lust after...

H1 V8 Busa
H1 V8 Busa


Over 1000hp possible with forced induction

Over 1000hp possible!!
Over 1000hp possible!!


Beags

[Edited on 7/29/2009 by beagley]


Actually check out the Hartley H2 made by the same company. Kit that converts Busa internals and head to a billet block. Eliminates the built in gearbox, adds a dry sump and allows you to bolt up to any transmission. Add a Turbo and you have 250-300 hp in a very light and compact package.

it starts at $8500 US,

Still not cheap but fantastic option for a Seven

http://www.h1v8.com/H2.html