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Peugeot power....
bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 08:51 PM

I plan to use Ford for the suspension/steering etc but i want to use a peugeot engine and LDV box....

Has anyone tried this combo???






Bertie.

owelly - 24/10/11 at 09:00 PM

Which Pug engine?

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 09:09 PM

I'm planning an XU, I have a heap of them here (Pug nut)....





Bertie.

owelly - 24/10/11 at 09:11 PM

Not tried it myself but I've sold a couple of LT77 gearboxes on ebay..!

owelly - 24/10/11 at 09:12 PM

IIRC, they're heavy old lumps. Which XUfrom which car?

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 09:18 PM

Al the XU blocks are basically the same....

I'm go to use the standard 1.9 to start with, 128BHP should be pokey enough...

In the future i want to fi the 2ltr turbo engine... I'v played with these engines quite alot in my 205...

The last engine was 340BHP...





Bertie.

MikeRJ - 24/10/11 at 09:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
IIRC, they're heavy old lumps. Which XUfrom which car?


Do you mean the gearbox? The XU9 engine has an alloy block and head and is quite light.

owelly - 24/10/11 at 09:33 PM

340bhp? That should do it!! Would the LT77 be up to it or would be better off finding a tougher box and making it fit the XU block?

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 09:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by owelly
IIRC, they're heavy old lumps. Which XUfrom which car?


Do you mean the gearbox? The XU9 engine has an alloy block and head and is quite light.




The UX9 8 valve is cast block, some of the MI's were alloy blocks....


Not a fan of the MI's.... I have rebuilt quite a few of them....







Bertie.

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 09:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
340bhp? That should do it!! Would the LT77 be up to it or would be better off finding a tougher box and making it fit the XU block?


I think getting the traction in a 7 would be a problem... I'll maybe leave it standardish.....

The gearbox would probably be ok, i figure it would break traction before the gearbox....





Bertie.

[Edited on 24/10/11 by bertie_bas205]

matt_gsxr - 24/10/11 at 09:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
340bhp? That should do it!!


Why buy PPC when you can get it all here?

I think more than 128 and fewer than 340 sounds like the right number of horses.

Stott - 24/10/11 at 09:45 PM

Not many STD xu's make the quoted power though, 115-120 bhp is a good one.

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 09:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matt_gsxr
quote:
Originally posted by owelly
340bhp? That should do it!!


Why buy PPC when you can get it all here?

I think more than 128 and fewer than 340 sounds like the right number of horses.



The 1.9 is easyish to get more ponies out of... maybe try that first n see how i get on....

The standard 2ltr produces 150 BHP.... so a few mild tweeks just to liven it up a wee bit.....





Bertie.

owelly - 24/10/11 at 09:46 PM

I guessed that 200bhp would be about right for my car so fitted the PugV6. It still spins the whhels in all but 5th so perhaps over 200 would be a tad overkill......but you can never have too much power...

MikeRJ - 24/10/11 at 09:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bertie_bas205
The UX9 8 valve is cast block, some of the MI's were alloy blocks....


The XU9 has a cast aluminium alloy block, as do all of the Mi16 engines. The block is so light you can pick it up with one hand with ease. The XU10 engine in the Pug 306 etc. had the iron block.

Are you maybe thinking of the diesel XUD9? That does have an iron block.

[Edited on 24/10/11 by MikeRJ]

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 09:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Stott
Not many STD xu's make the quoted power though, 115-120 bhp is a good one.


115 bhp for 1600 and 128 for 1.9, by the book so yeah they will have dropped a HP or 2.....

(Cat models loose a further 18 horse!!)....






Bertie.

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 09:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by bertie_bas205
The UX9 8 valve is cast block, some of the MI's were alloy blocks....


The XU9 has a cast aluminium alloy block, as do all of the Mi16 engines. The block is so light you can pick it up with one hand with ease. The XU10 engine in the Pug 306 etc. had the iron block.

Are you maybe thinking of the diesel XUD9? That does have an iron block.

[Edited on 24/10/11 by MikeRJ]


You are right... im thinking of my 2ltr turbo'd engine.....





Bertie.

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 09:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
I guessed that 200bhp would be about right for my car so fitted the PugV6. It still spins the whhels in all but 5th so perhaps over 200 would be a tad overkill......but you can never have too much power...


I take it that was the later D9 V6 with the 210 bhp???

I have a coop with the V6, torquey things...





Bertie.

Stott - 24/10/11 at 09:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bertie_bas205
quote:
Originally posted by Stott
Not many STD xu's make the quoted power though, 115-120 bhp is a good one.


115 bhp for 1600 and 128 for 1.9, by the book so yeah they will have dropped a HP or 2.....

(Cat models loose a further 18 horse!!)....






Bertie.


We had a 1.9 from 2 years old, very quick, never made more than 117 on the rollers, operator said it was a particularly good lump to make that.

I then had about 3 in a row all of which made less and a tuned one in a 405 that made 140, I cracked the block on that pig!

This was all in the 90s so they werent tired old things back then

All in my experience obviously

owelly - 24/10/11 at 09:59 PM

It's the ES9J4 but with tubular fannimoulds, no silencing to speak of and a slightly tweaked inlet. And a bit higher fuel pressure if that makes any difference!!

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 10:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Stott
quote:
Originally posted by bertie_bas205
quote:
Originally posted by Stott
Not many STD xu's make the quoted power though, 115-120 bhp is a good one.


115 bhp for 1600 and 128 for 1.9, by the book so yeah they will have dropped a HP or 2.....

(Cat models loose a further 18 horse!!)....






Bertie.


We had a 1.9 from 2 years old, very quick, never made more than 117 on the rollers, operator said it was a particularly good lump to make that.

I then had about 3 in a row all of which made less and a tuned one in a 405 that made 140, I cracked the block on that pig!

This was all in the 90s so they werent tired old things back then

All in my experience obviously



Oh by now there some heavy breathgers out ther..... I want to use Peugeot power.... I have been in and around them for years. sticking to what i know i s'pose....

I did think of TU, lighter and are wee screamers. I have an XS, 1360 which will take on a 16 GTi with no probs. Although this has had a "few £'s" spent on the engine...








Bertie.

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 10:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
It's the ES9J4 but with tubular fannimoulds, no silencing to speak of and a slightly tweaked inlet. And a bit higher fuel pressure if that makes any difference!!



Seemingly cam's n injectors from a V6 Clio livens them up no end.....






Bertie.

owelly - 24/10/11 at 10:08 PM

I had a 205 XS and it would spank my chums in their XR2s, XR3is, Golf GTis etc.....Probably because it weighed the same as a Wagon Wheel wrapper.

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 10:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
I had a 205 XS and it would spank my chums in their XR2s, XR3is, Golf GTis etc.....Probably because it weighed the same as a Wagon Wheel wrapper.


Wagon whell wrapper?? With or without the price label... ha!!

They rev quicker that the XU's... mine is a TU3 bottom end, TU24 big valve head, polished and ported head n inlet mani, Kent highlift/long duration, 40's and 4 branch....

Cant beat the flutter and Barrrrrrp of the 40's.....







Bertie.

[Edited on 24/10/11 by bertie_bas205]

matt_gsxr - 24/10/11 at 10:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
I guessed that 200bhp would be about right for my car so fitted the PugV6. It still spins the whhels in all but 5th so perhaps over 200 would be a tad overkill......but you can never have too much power...


Get some better tyres, perhaps?

owelly - 24/10/11 at 10:21 PM

Tyres, lsd and some sort of suspension all on their way!

matt_gsxr - 24/10/11 at 11:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Tyres, lsd and some sort of suspension all on their way!


What about soft at the rear ~150lb/inch and yokohama 021

LSD is optional, just be gentle with the wellington in 1st and 2nd.

Matt

p.s. I like your gentle humour

bertie_bas205 - 24/10/11 at 11:12 PM

Dammit... Are 175lb too hard??







Bertie.

matt_gsxr - 24/10/11 at 11:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bertie_bas205
Dammit... Are 175lb too hard??

Bertie.


175 ~= 150, not much difference to my mind. you get more difference from tyre pressures, or a passenger.

Lots of folk will suggest stiff at the rear. But to my mind its just a recipe for wheel spin.
Nothing wrong with wheel spin if it make you feel good though.

I don't know much. But (at the rear) 150lb/inch, soft ARB, open diff 3.14, bec, small td04-16T turbo, and Yoko 021r seems to result in a nice combination of crazy acceleration and no real wheelspin (at least in 2nd in the dry). Definitely a case for stiffer at the front.

Matt

bertie_bas205 - 25/10/11 at 09:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Not tried it myself but I've sold a couple of LT77 gearboxes on ebay..!



I take it the LT77 is the box which fits the Peug engines???

If this is the case, would you say it was the size of the type 9 or the later MT box??

Its so i know what size tunnel is reqired for the chassis...








Bertie.

bertie_bas205 - 7/11/11 at 09:39 PM

Well the box is now attached to a "Dummy" block....








A mish-match of Peug, LDV n Land Rover.....








Bertie.