What you have already is probably the best combination for the car, will save you loads of money too. You really don't need loads of bhp to have a great deal of fun in these cars.
Looks like i'm about to embark a project reviving another old Dutton Phaeton S1, the car hasn't been on the road for 20 years so will be
completely stripped and rebuilt. This is a shoestring project so no zetecs, bike carbs, megajolt etc
It currently has a 1300 xflow with a mk2 Cortina gearbox.
Ideally i'd like something with around 130bhp that does not cost the world to install and only needs simple wiring. My initial thoughts are of a
20seh out of a Cavalier SRI mated to a Manta gearbox I reckon I could get the engine with ancillaries and gearbox for less than £200. Another thought
was a XR2 CVH with some twin 40's, would the CVH mate to the Cortina box?
Any other suggestions? Obviously if I had more money to spend I would be looking at an XE or Zetec
ecotec xev makes a cheaper alternative to the xe! same block, so anything you'd use (bar a few things like clutch plates) to fit an xe can be
used for an xev
a few years ago i ought an xev with fwd gearbox for about £150, with all injection parts fitten, can't rememeber if it still had the ecu fitted
or not... alternator starter everything.
Youve got £200 to spend on an XR2 engine, so why not spend that on a Zetec? How much do you think they cost!
I bought a 1.8 for £50 once. For £200 you must be able to get the ECU and everything else with it. Or buy a car (old mondeo) for £200 and take what
you want. Then you can scrap / break the remainder.
Adapting an engine to another gearbox is an expensive business and takes a lot of time to get right (clutch, release bearings, spigot bearings,
adapter plate etc etc etc).
If your looking for an economy build, keep it simple and use what has already been developed. Development costs can sky rocket.
The Phaeton runs a Cortina Mk2 rear axle on cart springs, the springs locate the axle. I suspect that if you have 130bhp, 80bhp will be driving the
car and 50bhp will be winding up the springs until the prop gets dragged out of the gearbox.
What you have already is probably the best combination for the car, will save you loads of money too. You really don't need loads of bhp to have
a great deal of fun in these cars.
volvo b230 - 136 hp normally aspirated , comes with a rwd gearbox........
only trouble is it cants over
what about a boat anchor! or an mx5 setup.
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Originally posted by blakep82
ecotec xev makes a cheaper alternative to the xe! same block, so anything you'd use (bar a few things like clutch plates) to fit an xe can be used for an xev
a few years ago i ought an xev with fwd gearbox for about £150, with all injection parts fitten, can't rememeber if it still had the ecu fitted or not... alternator starter everything.
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Originally posted by Mark Allanson
The Phaeton runs a Cortina Mk2 rear axle on cart springs, the springs locate the axle. I suspect that if you have 130bhp, 80bhp will be driving the car and 50bhp will be winding up the springs until the prop gets dragged out of the gearbox.
What you have already is probably the best combination for the car, will save you loads of money too. You really don't need loads of bhp to have a great deal of fun in these cars.
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Youve got £200 to spend on an XR2 engine, so why not spend that on a Zetec? How much do you think they cost!
I bought a 1.8 for £50 once. For £200 you must be able to get the ECU and everything else with it. Or buy a car (old mondeo) for £200 and take what you want. Then you can scrap / break the remainder.
Adapting an engine to another gearbox is an expensive business and takes a lot of time to get right (clutch, release bearings, spigot bearings, adapter plate etc etc etc).
If your looking for an economy build, keep it simple and use what has already been developed. Development costs can sky rocket.
i've got no sensors left in mine, and its on carbs, so minimal electrics 
I could install a zetec for that sort of money.
It would be no frills with cast exhaust mani' but still give 136~bhp with the ability to upgrade as and when.
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Originally posted by big_wasa
I could install a zetec for that sort of money.
It would be no frills with cast exhaust mani' but still give 136~bhp with the ability to upgrade as and when.
If I went down the Zetec route aren't there a lot of additional parts required? I'd need a beefier box type 9 and then i'm sure
i've read about starter motors, water rails etc and then how difficult to wire in on standard management are there not immobilisers and things to
worry about?
Like I say i'm open to suggestions and i've had some Zetec powered cars and know they are cracking engines
"The S1 uses trailing arms and no leaf springs. The last one I owned had a Triumph GT6 engine and that went ok but was bit heavy. "
I helped build an S2 in 1982 (Herald front and Cortina Mk2 rear) I assumed that the S1 might be more primitive rather than more sophisticated!
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Originally posted by Mark Allanson
"The S1 uses trailing arms and no leaf springs. The last one I owned had a Triumph GT6 engine and that went ok but was bit heavy. "
I helped build an S2 in 1982 (Herald front and Cortina Mk2 rear) I assumed that the S1 might be more primitive rather than more sophisticated!
Your T9 will be fine with standard zetec.
I am not going to tell you its easy to wire up the ecu but as you are local I would lend a hand.
If you want to go that route then pm me and I will tell you what you need.
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Originally posted by big_wasa
Your T9 will be fine with standard zetec.
I am not going to tell you its easy to wire up the ecu but as you are local I would lend a hand.
If you want to go that route then pm me and I will tell you what you need.
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Originally posted by big_wasa
I could install a zetec for that sort of money.
It would be no frills with cast exhaust mani' but still give 136~bhp with the ability to upgrade as and when.
2.3 out of granda 2.0 rs 2000 absolutely great engine 150 bhp standard run off wasted spark no ecu have a look into it tunable later if you want we got genuine 200 bhp out of 2.3 on 45s with cams
I don't see why you can't use the 4 speed with the zetec, being ford I think they are mechanically the same as the type 9 in terms of clutch
etc. I think the type 9 is a bit longer than the 4 speed so may need a new prop.. The only snag I see budget wise will be shortening the sump??
[Edited on 8/2/12 by Bluemoon]
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Originally posted by pmc_3
You can pick up an XR2 cvh for about £50.
I suppose if the Zetec can mate to the existing 4 speed box I maybe able to get away with using the existing prop and if I can run it on standard
management it becomes a very good budget option.
[Edited on 8/2/12 by pmc_3]
There cant be much cost saving in a CVH over zetec as already said. The only big one that springs to mind is the ECU purchase (whereas CVH obviously comes with a simple dizzy).