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Type 9 - Engaging Gears
davidimurray - 2/4/14 at 01:53 PM

I have a Type 9 in my Haynes Roadster. One thing I've noticed is that when rolling to a stop if I try and engage first it won't until I've stopped moving. Is this normal. Happily goes into gear when stationary.

Paul Turner - 2/4/14 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by davidimurray
I have a Type 9 in my Haynes Roadster. One thing I've noticed is that when rolling to a stop if I try and engage first it won't until I've stopped moving. Is this normal. Happily goes into gear when stationary.


Its not normal, type 9's can be a little obstructive at times but they do go in OK.

First thing is oil, what is it filled with? Ford specify a simple Semi Synthetic 75w90 GL4 spec. Anything different can cause issues and broken syncros.

Second thing is the plastic thingy under the gear lever on the selector rod. They wear/break and can cause issues with a floppy, imprecise gearshift.

Third thing is do you have a remote fitted, some result in poor changes.

Don't think its your clutch, that usually causes problems when you are stationary.

So in my experience it could be as simple as the wrong oil, a £10 plastic bit, a dodgy remote or something more problematic such as selectors, syncros or gear dogs.

davidimurray - 2/4/14 at 02:28 PM

Interesting....

I remember checking the Haynes manual with oil before buying some - will check if I still got the bottle on the shelf at home.

I do have a quickshift fitted - one of the cheap kits from rally design where you space the pivot point up.

It goes beautifully up and down the box, no sloppines and happily between gears, just doesn't like going into first while moving. Not sure whether this is connected or not, but it is very easy to pop into reverse. The interlock is there, but the slightest downward pressure on the stick will cause it to push over so I have to keep a little upward pressure on the lever when going into reverse. I assumed this was just a lack of tension on the 'rubber' spring that pushes the stick upwards.

Could the two be connected?

blakep82 - 2/4/14 at 02:30 PM

just about every car i've had doesn't go into first gear until you're below 5mph or so. sounds normal to me.

Paul Turner - 2/4/14 at 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by blakep82
just about every car i've had doesn't go into first gear until you're below 5mph or so. sounds normal to me.


When I ran mine on the hills and sprints it went into first quite happily at 30 mph or more on a BGH E6. The Quaiffe Syncro Pro Box I had before the BGH would engage 1st at 40 mph +

jacko - 2/4/14 at 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by blakep82
just about every car i've had doesn't go into first gear until you're below 5mph or so. sounds normal to me.



Im with Blake on this one
Jacko

britishtrident - 2/4/14 at 07:19 PM

No this definitely isn't normal should be able to engage first from second without problem on the move without synchronising the revs at any speed up to about 25mph.
Obviously it will go in easier if as most drivers do and synchronise the engine speed to match the road speed.
Most likely cause is the clutch is dragging due insufficient movement or a distorted driven plate or oil contamination or incorrect adjustment.
Also check the gearbox if filled with suitable grade of oil at the correct level.

baz-R - 3/4/14 at 01:52 PM

baulking issue with the syncro hub. quite common with type9s on 1st/2nd
could be one of meny things but you would only find out from a stripdown and inspection

if your lucky it might be just be clogged grooves on your syncro hub