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Height of 1600 crossflow sump
westf27 - 6/12/18 at 10:14 AM

Can anyone tell me the height of a standard sump.
Just trying to determine whether mine has been shortened
Thanks
Steve

rusty nuts - 6/12/18 at 11:08 AM

It should be pretty obvious if it has been shortened, look for welding on the sides where steel has been removed. From memory mine is at the same level as the bell housing after shortening, no point taking more off.

alfas - 7/12/18 at 12:35 PM

its difficult to say because there are different heights existing even from ford...depending if the engine was in an escort, cortina, engine age, front bowl, rear bowl...i had sumps which differed in height for about 20mm even they had been non-shortend

steve m - 7/12/18 at 06:23 PM

Also what engine as 1300 sumps were smaller than 1600 ones in height

Another way of measuring, is how much it holds, as 1600 xflow holds 4.5 lts of oil, and any more than that will make the engine burn oil, and big black clouds out of the exhaust

steve

chillis - 8/12/18 at 10:01 AM

Assuming rear bowl sumps,

1100/1300 manual appears to be the smallest (shallowest) based of oil refill volume 3.6litres, next is 1100/1300 Auto which appears to have a similar volume to the 1600 manual 4litres, then 1600 auto at 4.5 litres and finally late mk1 transit 1600 at 4.85 litres.
Escort sumps are a slightly different shape to mk3cortina/mk1 capri. The transit sump is very deep.
Many sumps has the part number stamped in the bottom of ths bowl part of the sump - that may help identify what one you have
Again as others have said if yours has been modified there would be evidence of that I would have thought

[Edited on 8/12/18 by chillis]

rusty nuts - 8/12/18 at 12:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steve m
Also what engine as 1300 sumps were smaller than 1600 ones in height


steve


Think the thread title sort of gives it away?

steve m - 8/12/18 at 06:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
Also what engine as 1300 sumps were smaller than 1600 ones in height


steve


Think the thread title sort of gives it away?


So, you are aware that a 1300 sump fits a 1600 block perfectly ?
but in standard form will not clear the crankshaft

My 1600 xflow has a 1300 sump, MODIFIED to give me a shallower but full length sump, that is now level with the lower chassis rails on my car

The lowest point on the car is now the gearbox

steve

rusty nuts - 8/12/18 at 07:03 PM

Yes I am aware that a 1300 sump fits a 1600 with suitable "dressing" but as the OP put 1600 in the title thread I for one assumed he was referring to a 1600 sump

MikeR - 8/12/18 at 07:14 PM

How much dressing is required by the big hammer and where? You can still get 1300 sumps new for not very much. I'm after a baffled 1600 but am wondering if the solution is to make my own.

rusty nuts - 8/12/18 at 10:07 PM

If you mount the sump to the block with maybe 4 bolts , rotate the crank until it hits the sump , possibly using something that shows up , then gently beat the sump until the crank clears . You may have to refit the sump several times , just beat it a little at a time . After gaining clearance check the mounting flange isn't distorted , dress if needed. Finally shorten , I think your probably better off gaining clearance before cutting off the bottom of the sump , at least it would help limiting distortion?