and don't say BEC!!
looking through the parkers guide at engines and power, I have seen the following:
Fiat Uno 1.4 GT Turbo 136 bhp
Honda Civic 1.5 LS 115 bhp
Hyundai S Coupe 1.5 MVTi Turbo 114 bhp
Rover 414 103 bhp
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From the list, which of those have been used in a 7?
Does the honda spin the right way?
On which side is the inlet/exhaust?
For which engines are gearbox adpaters avialable?
anyone have information about engine height - from centre of crank to top of cam cover/oil filler
(in case you are wondering, looking to stick to engines < 1.5 l simply as it is £ 65 chepaer per year.)
maybe it'll never happen but something to plan for perhap...
To save £65 per year in insurance it might cost you a whole chunk more to build. You'll also be older when its built obviously so is it really
worth it??
K-series has obviously been used by CateringVan etc, but i recon the adaptor to fit it to the gearbox would be at least 3 years additional insurance
premiums.
edited to take out the C*******m swear word!! Sorry boys - i'll go and stand in the corner for an hour as punishment
[Edited on 4/10/07 by Paul TigerB6]
Rovers 1.4 K-Series has been widely used by 'you-know-who'
I'd choose the 1.4 K Rover series as it is nice and light and in plentyfull supply. Belhousings are freely available and are upgradeable to the
1.8 relatively easily ata later date.
Just my 2p worth
- Jim
quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
To save £65 per year in insurance it might cost you a whole chunk more to build.
Go for the Rover, But try to get a low miles one.
Mine works fine. There are some installation pics in my archive.
Steve,
[Edited on 4/10/07 by stevec]
They are all about the same height but with a Caterham sump you can loose a couple of inches.
Steve.
Guys I think he means it will be 65quid cheaper per year in road tax not insurance (but clearly the insurance might be less as well)
If you want to be really wacky there are a load of good sub 1.5 litre turbo diesel engines that have >100bhp and load of torque and can be remapped
to make probably +40% on top of this. How difficult in terms of getting a gearbox up to them and getting the stock ECU to run it I don't know...
nissan micra ? could have the same bolt pattern as other rwd models .
ecotec vauxhalls - they definitely have rwd adapters .
Kawasaki ZZR1400 - 190bhp
I didn't say those three letters either.....
Phil
Renault 5 gt turbo, 1397cc 120 bhp 120 torques and easily tunable to 180 bhp reliably. 220+ if you want to shout about it.
Noy sure if it will fin under a locost bonnet tho.
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Originally posted by jimgiblett
I'd choose the 1.4 K Rover series as it is nice and light and in plentyfull supply. Belhousings are freely available and are upgradeable to the 1.8 relatively easily ata later date.
Just my 2p worth
- Jim
my bellhousing wasn't free - cost about £200
Rover 1.4 puts out 104ps as standard -- can go a fair bit higher with just head work.
Avoid the one with the restricted inlet throttlebody fitted to low end Rover 25 they have much less power --- just requires the throttlebody changed.
(only 81ps)
They tend to rev more freely and give more power once they have over 40K miles
Version fitted to the last of the old shape 214Sei circa 1995/96 is a good version to buy -- less complex to fit.
[Edited on 4/10/07 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 5/10/07 by britishtrident]
other than catehrham (although not been able to find it on their web site) - who else makes the bell housing?
is the honda civic 1.5 engine related to the rover?
Nope, it also spins the wrong way. Only the F20C (S2000) and K20 (CTR) spin the 'right' way.
How about getting a 1.4 K series block and swapping in 1.8 internals, as the blocks are all the same
ok so it is narrowed down to the rover.
are these alloy blocks?
yep
don't forget the zetec se, comes in a 1.4 in fiesta and puma iirc, ford build, yamaha design, ally block, bellhousings available from at least
three sources (quantum, westfield, shawspeed).
can always drop in a 1.6 or vvc 1.7 at a later date..
Ned.
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Originally posted by 02GF74
ok so it is narrowed down to the rover.
are these alloy blocks?
quote:
Originally posted by ned
don't forget the zetec se, comes in a 1.4 in fiesta and puma iirc, ford build, yamaha design, ally block, bellhousings available from at least three sources (quantum, westfield, shawspeed).
can always drop in a 1.6 or vvc 1.7 at a later date..
Ned.
With Rover go to the car auction and buy a complete running 214 ---- only way to ensure you get all the bits you need ---- key fob, security ecu, main ecu are all coded to each other and the engine
No one thinking of Zetec SE. Small, come in variety of capacities, light, strong, tuneable, cheapish, readily available and bellhousings available for type 9.
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Originally posted by Dusty
No one thinking of Zetec SE. Small, come in variety of capacities, light, strong, tuneable, cheapish, readily available and bellhousings available for type 9.
The Vauxhall 1.6 Ecotec is also overlooked far too much, probably because of the lackluster image of the 2.0L version.
The 1.6 has a well designed cylinder head and is capable of very impressive power outputs (have a look at the SBD tuning web site).
The Zetec SE is also capable of big bhp when tuned, but I have to agree with BT that they aren't overly impressive in standard form, though the
1.7 lump in the Puma goes well enough (expensive to buy though).
quote:
Originally posted by Dusty
No one thinking of Zetec SE. Small, come in variety of capacities, light, strong, tuneable, cheapish, readily available and bellhousings available for type 9.
thanks mnuchly to all who took time to respond.
the rover 1.4 16 V sounds like the front runner.
I've measured 360 mm from centre of crank to underside of bonnet, allowing 10 mm clearance - I'll probalby need to measure again to double
check - but it loooks like I will need to drop cranke centre by 40 mm. hmmmm, wonder if that is possible.
I'll see if any F27 owners have this engine.
incidentallyt whcih rovers had this engine 1.4 (214, 414? year/model? - time to searcvh ebay)
[Edited on 5/10/07 by 02GF74]
Sorry, but I think it's ridiculous to choose an engine capacity below 1500cc just because it saves you a paltry £65 a year. That isn't a
satisfactory criterium for choosing a power unit. It's just over a quid a week...
Get real; choose the power unit that best does the job you require.
quote:
Originally posted by Memphis Twin
Sorry, but I think it's ridiculous to choose an engine capacity below 1500cc just because it saves you a paltry £65 a year. That isn't a satisfactory criterium for choosing a power unit. It's just over a quid a week...
Get real; choose the power unit that best does the job you require.
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
why should I fund this government more than I need to?
criteria for engine selection is to retain the same gearbox and not put bulges in bonnet so a small engine; otherwise I'd go for a 2.0l zetec or maybe even v6.
... and if it is good enuf for caterham, then what more can I say?
[Edited on 5/10/07 by 02GF74]
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Originally posted by Paul TigerB6Dunno why you dont go for the 1.8 K-series if you are going to go that route - more power and torque which will make a big difference. Loads of tuning bits too for when you decide it isnt fast enough - used in the Elise for starters.
Well a pinto fits, as does a Vauxhall 2.2L ecotec and Ford Duratec so cant see why a Zetec wouldnt fit also. Looks like you have loads of options
without needing to fit any bulges from what i can see
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/218665.htm
http://www.imagesportscars.co.uk/clubman/tech_spec_clubman.htm
As to the K-series - the 1.8 is just a longer stroke version so same block i believe. Some light reading for you here (just to make your decission
harder )...
http://members.aol.com/dvandrews/kengine.htm#engine
[Edited on 5/10/07 by Paul TigerB6]
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
hhmmmm - this is same bolock and engine height/size
quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
The government will take it out of you one way or another. Dont build the car at all and you'll save having to pay any additional road tax. Dunno why you dont go for the 1.8 K-series if you are going to go that route - more power and torque which will make a big difference. Loads of tuning bits too for when you decide it isnt fast enough - used in the Elise for starters.
Hands up who wants more power
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
If you have a very deep wallet the K series can be persuaded to produce up to 250bhp.
quote:
Originally posted by ned
I know someone who had a k-series built by Judd for a mid engined racecar, similar spec to touring car engine and was making 270-280bhp
Ned.
I would like to speak up for the ford engine. I have raced a 1600 zetec se for 18 months and have taken apart around 6 engines. The engine is very
simple, very light and very cheap. For 1600's i have paid between 160 and 250 quid. This is for a full engine with all the bits. THe 1400 is a
very similar engine. Ford have downplayed the BHP for insurance purposes and the reason they feel gutless in a new car is because these cars are so
damned heavy.
The 1600 allegedly produces 100BHP
ECU and exhaust only = 135 BHP
Twin 40's 150BHP
Mine on twin 40's 175BHP (head and cams)
Next year 195?BHP
The main problem is oil surge. Because these engines have such tiny recirculating parts (so are therefore easy to tune) they are very susceptible to
oil surge. We have just developed a sump to cure this and will test it next year but in road/ track day cars baffling of standard sump should
suffice.
Bellhousing from Shawspeed and if you have any sense a manifold for DCOEs or injection and even on a 1400 you are away. Don't worry about the
mileage as as long as they have had oil in them they run for ever.
Any questions please ask