In the process of refurbing my 2.0l pinto I shortened the sump and fitted a baffle plate.

Now it's all together and in the car I have found the dipstick partly fouls on the baffle plate unless it goes in at a particular angle. Also I'm not sure how it is going to go around/through the twin 40's I'm putting on or are they higher up? (I don't have a manifold yet)

My solution is to shorten the pipe and dip stick so it's almost straight and underneath the inlet manifold, but I need to know what level the oil has to be at.

I have the 2.0 tube but no stick and the tube is longer than the 1.6 version. I have the old 1.6 stick, tube and engine so if the level is the same as the 2.0l I can get measurments off this and modify it to suit.

Will the oil level be the same for the 2.0 as the 1.6 or does anyone have a measurment for the 2.0l. As the blocks & sumps are the same I would have thought the oil level would be too.

[Edited on 13/12/07 by pajsh]

Can you not modify the baffle plate to allow the original dipstick to do its job properly??? Surely this is the best option??

If you can get the dipstick in at the odd angle, fill with oil to the correct level. Then shorten or otherwise mod the dipstick and tube to suit. Dip it again and mark the new level on the dipstick. The amount of oil hasn't changed so the new mark must be right.

If he's shortened the sump, the amount it now takes to bring it to the correct level reference pick up pipe etc may not be the same, ie the sump capacity may have changed

Or am I missing something ?

[Edited on 13/12/07 by Macbeast]

Sump capacity will be different but ditance from end of tube to upper / lower marks on dipstick remain unaltered.

Try and pursevere with diptick as it is. Can you put a little et in the end?

mate of mine used to race stock cars for years - he used to take off the dipstick and replace the tube with a bolt - tap out the hole in the block - bung a bolt in - when you need to dip it take it out and use your short modified correct level stick - bung bolt back in - stops it leaking - can be a real pain on a pinto to seal off that join as it is a push in

I am going to shorten the tube and dipstick but my problem is I don't know the correct oil level.

As the capacity has changed due to being chopped and extended I can't do it by the original volume.

I can't work it out from the 2.0 l tube as I don't have a 2.0l dipstick and the tube is longer than the old 1.6 tube.

I could do it by measuerment from the block bottom flange if someone knows the dim.

Failing that I can work it out from the 1.6 tube, stick and engine if the level for the 1.6 is the same for the 2.0l. (and this is my last resort).

Problem is I don't know what the level should be.

Oh and I could take the sump off but I would have to either take the engine out (having just put it in) or cut away the sump guard and make it removable. I may do this anyway at some later stage but I think the original dipstick is going to foul on the twin carbs any way.

Really I just need the measurement from the bottom flange to the oil level or confirmation the oil level in the 2.0l is teh same as the 1.6.

Im hesitant to even suggest this but have a read of this thread.

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=74956&page=5


It starts with loads of rubbish about breathing issues and catch tank design, but bare with it as by pg4 ish it goes into oil level and dipstick lengths etc. Might just give you what you are looking for.

Can i suggest if your target is to determine oil level for 2.0 then check tube and stick lengths against what has been posted above.

Happy hunting.
Darren.

[Edited on 14/12/07 by DarrenW]

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Originally posted by DarrenW

Can i suggest if your target is to determine oil level for 2.0 then check tube and stick lengths against what has been posted above.

[Edited on 14/12/07 by DarrenW]

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i would of thought the correct level would be NOT to have the bottom of the crank sitting in the puddle of oil in the sump and to keep the pick up pipe as immersed in the puddle as much as possible - so anywhere in between i would of thought would be right.

if i remember right my 2.1 pinto shortened sump takes about a gallon of oil seems fine - 1 litre from bottom mark on the stick to top mark.. make your own stick markings once your happy with the amount..

Took some dims today from the 1.6 measured from the block flange

1) to the lowest part of the crank - 65mm
2) to the high level - 80 mm
3) to the low level - 100mm
4) to the pickup strainer - 170mm

All +/- a bit as it is difficult to measure accurately.

Interestingly the top of the OEM baffle plate is around 80mm from the flange so I guess the oil should not really be above that thus restricting it's movement under braking, acceleration.

There is 15mm clearance between the lowest part of the crank and the high oil level which I guess allows for a little overfilling, sloshing around and perhaps the 2.0 crank having a marginally bigger arch than the 1.6.

Most sumps seem to be chopped by 30-40mm (roughly 1 1/2 inches) so this would make the pickup pipe around 130-140mm from the flange, giving 30-40mm of oil at low level and 50-60mm at high level. Whilst the level is obviously less the volume is made up else where to compensate and most people add baffles to ensure the oil stays around the strainer.

Thus I intend setting my dipstick to read 80-100mm from the flange and running the oil as high as possilble in that range. As I have put additional baffles in I'm hoping the sloshing element will be less and so I can run a high level and still have good clearance on the crank. I think it goes without saying more regular oil checks will be required to ensure the oil stays in the safety zone.

Finallly for information my dipstick dims are (from underside of "bung"

1) 375mm high
2) 395mm low
3) 410mm O/A

Hope this might provide a reference for someone in the future.