SeanStone
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 11:36 AM |
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Volvo Turbo
For those who have done/know about it, what are the associated costs of doing this?
Is it easy to use the standard ECU?
It looks like you can pay anywhere from 2-500 quid for an engine, but is the best box going to be a type 9 or the omega?
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 12:02 PM |
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I've never looked into it in depth but volvo ecus are "supposed" to be particularly friendly. I planned to use aftermarket straight
from the off.
are you looking at red block, T4, T5?
My B5234 without turbo cost £100 quid.
Benzine and Volvorsport will know better
[Edited on 2/10/12 by liam.mccaffrey]
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Chippy
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 12:38 PM |
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For anybody using the Volvo T5 engine it doesn't make any sense to go for anything other than the standard ECU, it will deal with any
mod's that you may do and is highly tunable, although you will need to have it on the rolling road. The best gearbox that will bolt straight on
is the one from the Volvo 960, (M90 Box), but it wont fit in a seven due to its bulk, you can get adaptor plates from KL Racing, (www.klracing.se), to
suit a number of different rear wheel drive boxes. It's a convertion that I have been contemplating myself, so have done a bit of reseach on the
subject. HTH Ray
Edit to add if you need anymore info just drop me a U2U, Cheers Ray
[Edited on 2-10-12 by Chippy]
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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Westy1994
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 08:15 PM |
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Well I have the Volvo sat on my drive, so I too am looking into fitting the engine into the 7, the biggest hurdle was the sandwich plate, so thanks
Chippy for that link, just need a B230f to type 9 box, I have several ECU's from Volvos I have scrapped in the past so maybe a bit of
experimenting may be in order.
[Edited on 2/10/12 by Westy1994]
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SeanStone
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 09:22 PM |
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So these plates required for saab to type 9 aren't so common?
Are the omega boxes up to the job?
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Chippy
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 09:31 PM |
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From my research it would seem that the BMW Getrag box is the one to go for. Type 9 is good for "about" 160/170bhp, and as the B5234 2.3
can easily be tweeked to get better than 300 BHP, (600 if you have piles of spare cash), you will/do need a box that can take the strain. HTH Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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ashg
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 09:33 PM |
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why on earth would you mate a volvo engine to a type9 it will rip it to pieces. even the uprated bgh one wont take the torque the volvo engine can
throw out.
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Westy1994
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 09:54 PM |
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I guess if you are going to be using race slicks them maybe it might not be strong enough, but for a 7 type car on road tyres, you would do well ( or
badly) to break one IMO.
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SeanStone
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 09:59 PM |
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Well if the getrag 260 is the one to go for then that's fine by me. Looks to be cheaper and stronger than a type 9!
Any ideas on the mating of the volvo to bmw box? volvo or bmw clutch/flywheel? spacer etc?
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Chippy
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 10:16 PM |
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The best clutch to use is the one from the 850R, capable of dealing with up to around 400 lbs ft. Not to sure as to what would be required to get it
to operate with the Getrag, but shouldn't be an insurmountable problem, may even work with the BM arm and release bearing, I don't know.
HTH Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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SeanStone
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| posted on 2/10/12 at 10:21 PM |
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From extra reading, it looks like an extra thick flywheel is needed in order to get the spline to reach. Quite a performance compromise!
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ashg
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 12:12 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Westy1994
I guess if you are going to be using race slicks them maybe it might not be strong enough, but for a 7 type car on road tyres, you would do well ( or
badly) to break one IMO.
sorry if this sounds like a rant.
thats tosh. i can name at least three people that have lunched their uprated type 9's with less torque than the volvo engine will make on a bad
day. its usually third gear that gives out as people slow down into a corner dropping from fourth to third engine braking ready to accelerate out.
typically that puts a reverse load on the bearings slowing down, then straight onto the throttle throwing the load on the box straight into the
opposite rotation/direction right in the peak torque band of the rev range (giving maximum driving pleasure) which totally hammers the box. so
ultimate launch traction is only a small factor in what kills gearboxes.
couple the above with the fact that 99% of kitcars dont run with the rubber torque dampers that ford fit between the gearbox and prop and hey presto
dead box. Just remember car manufacturers like ford will never ever fit something to a car that it doesn't need!
why do you think ford fitted the bw t5 to the cosworths? the type 9 wasn't good enough/economically viable to upgrade to take the extra power.
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SeanStone
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 07:24 AM |
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Well looking at the spec from the Omegas, if I can get hold of a 'box from the 3 litres, it looks like it should be man enough. At least from
this wiki page Link
Can't find any hard evidence anywhere that this 'box will fit up to the volvo engines though!
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Chippy
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 10:07 AM |
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The box will definately not be a direct fit, so will require you to make up a convertion plate. The other problem could be that the spline count and
diameter will almost certainly not be the same as the Volvo, (don't know for sure), so you would need to find a clutch plate that will suite
both the gearbox and the Volvo flywheel/clutch pressure plate. The Getrag box on the other hand is a tried and tested convertion, and KL Racing could
possably tell you what is required in the way of convertion and fitting, as they do supply the convertion plate to fit this box to the B5234. Cheers
Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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SeanStone
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 10:27 AM |
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How about with the SAAB lumps? 900/9000 etc
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 10:36 AM |
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Where does the idea of an Omega box come from? Seems like an odd choice when as far as I know no one makes an adapter.
When I bought my BMW adapter from KL racing I believe they only did the plates themselves, now they do fitting kits as well which look to include
various bits I had to make/machine up myself. Perhaps worth being clear with them what is included and what else is needed.
They do the plates for "BMW lilla 6" = small 6 cyl = E30 320/325 boxes or "BMW stora 6" = bigger 6 cyl boxes
The plates also come in "rak" or "lutande", this meas 'straight' or 'leaned' (the Volvo whiteblock
engines are mounted leaning back in their original FWD installations). The straight adapter would mean the finished installation for RWD has vertical
cylinders, the leaning adapter would have the engine canted over to one side. Not sure if there is any advantage in terms of oil feed, but one option
may be better in terms of engine bay fit, column clearance etc.
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SeanStone
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 10:49 AM |
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Info from here
Link
Still vague!
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 11:01 AM |
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Thought this thread was about Volvo engines though 
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SeanStone
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 11:36 AM |
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I know, I forgot to put Volvo/SAAB
Ran out of time to edit!
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Chippy
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| posted on 3/10/12 at 01:22 PM |
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The Vauxhall box will fit the Saab 9000 engine, and the amount of work to get decent BHP is about the same, allthouh I don't have the details to
hand on how to do that, have got it somewhere I think, but not sure as I gave a load of stuff regarding the Saab to a friend., The Volvo leans, at
about 15 degrees towards the turbo side, and the sump is made to suit that angle, but as you will need to mod that for ground clearance may not be a
problem to have it upright. The main thing going for the Volvo is the beautiful sound that the exhaust makes, sounds a bit like a V8, plus the spares
are very easy to get. Ideally you want to go for a pre 1998 engine as after that they were canbus and fly by wire. Super strong engine and can be
tuned up to about 450 BHP on the standard internals, over the two that would be my choise. But it's your car mate so up to you. Cheers Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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