Monty2556
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| posted on 2/3/14 at 10:08 PM |
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Pinto into Locost
I recently posted a topic regarding x flow heads. I got a lot of information, the advice being don't try and tune a 1300 - change the engine. I
happen to have a rebuilt 2.0 Pinto engine in the garage.
1. Does a Pinto engine suit a Locost?
2. Will it fit directly onto an Escort 4 speed box?
3. Any other relevant advice.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 12:28 AM |
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try to fit it to a 5 speed, makes a big difference when on main roads
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Not Anumber
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 08:56 AM |
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Pinto on 5 speed type 9 gearbox was the standard for many years. Multivalve engines such as the Zetec and Duratec have become more popular in recent
years as they offer good bhp out of the box but a 2.0 Pinto can still hold it's own especially with a few mild performance mods. If you are
building either of the book chassis you will need to shorten the sump and oil pickup tube. Anyone who can weld bodywork should be able to do that for
you. Building with a 1300 pinto would be for curiosity value only.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 02:32 PM |
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first off which escort 4 speed box have you got ?
it could easily be a type 2:
http://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-guides/tuning-guide-pages/ford-type-2-gearbox-guide.html
but it might be a type E:
http://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-guides/tuning-guide-pages/ford-type-e-gearbox-guide.html
if you've got a type 2 then you'll need a clutch with a smaller spline than most pinto's and I'm not sure how easy it is to
find a starter that fits - also these aren't the strongest boxes
the type E was fitted to pinto's as standard in the escorts etc (the close ratio version is call the the rocket box)
so standard 2.0 pinto clutches and started are a straight fit 
(very closely related to the type 9, they even use the same bellhousings)
so if you've got a type 2 I'd definitely be looking to upgrade to a 5 speed type 9 box 
http://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-guides/tuning-guide-pages/ford-type-9-gearbox-guide.html
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19sac65
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 05:03 PM |
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1600 cortinas,capris etc had a 20 spline plate,as did early 4 speed sierras - 215 mm dia so the same as the 23 spline
Although the shift on the 4 speed was wonderful a 5 spd would be more suitable nowadays
If your building from scratch ide go with a zetec and t9 5sp , you would probably cover the cost by selling a recon pinto as they fetch good money
You will then have a car with a more modern 16v twin cam engine that will be more reliable and tuneable
All in my humble opinion of course
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Not Anumber
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 05:49 PM |
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Though I am a pinto fan I would probably not use a Pinto if I was building from scratch.
Mine was bought with a standard spec Pinto in it so choosing to put together a higher performance piinto gave me the advantage of being able to reuse
the existing exhaust, sump, inlet manifold, hoses, oil pickup, clutch etc and keep the exhaust exit on the right side of the bonnet rather than change
them. That and knowing i now had an engine that looked the same but was 30 % more powerful and that it could always be taken further in subsequent
stages if i wanted.
Which takes me back to my first sentence, if I was building from scratch I personally wouldnt go for a Zetec either. Dont get me wrong I think the
Zetec is a brilliant engine its just there is another engine out there that is shorter so will fit with its standard sump, has it's own gearbox
so now worry with matching flywheel or clutch and where the donor fuel injection and ignition can be transplanted straight over with almost no
modification.
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Monty2556
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 06:32 PM |
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Thanks for the replies. I'm not building from scratch. It looks as if it's a type 2 gearbox (it has an integral bellhousing) so I'll
be looking to change to a Type 9 which will fit the Pinto without worrying about smaller clutches, splines etc.
Do you know if the mounting points on a Type 9 are likely to be the same as type 2 Escort box? Probably not I suppose!!
Finally, the exhaust and inlet manifolds will be on opposite sides. On my Locost there is a 1" box section bracing bar which runs diagonally
across the engine bay on the offside. Will this foul a 4-2-1 exhaust? How vital is that bar?
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Not Anumber
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 07:04 PM |
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It would be wise taking some measurements from another nearby locost builder or owner. Your location isnt shown which could be an obstacle there.
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Monty2556
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 07:55 PM |
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Good point that which I've now rectified. I'm based in Leek, Staffordshire. Anyone nearby with a Pinto engined Locost with a Type 9
gearbox?
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mcerd1
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 09:58 PM |
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type 9 dimensions here:
I've got a type 9 and a type 2 in the garage so I can take some measurements for you, but I probably won't get much time to look them out
in the next few weeks (the GF is now 41 weeks pregnant...  )
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Monty2556
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| posted on 3/3/14 at 11:11 PM |
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Thanks for the drawing. Good luck to you and the GF!!
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19sac65
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| posted on 4/3/14 at 09:55 AM |
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41 weeks - not long to go then :-/
Sounds like the brace your on about is to brace the chassis for pedals/steering etc
Ive got similar on my westfield - its there for a reason
You can buy bolt on gearbox X member mounts to relocate the mount point
Burton power do them as do many more
Is the xflow installed - if so everythings on the op side on a pinto - worth taking into consideration
Everyone has different needs from their build,i went zetec because it makes good reliable power,loads of info on how its done and if it goes bang a
can get another one for a ton
If you want a real easy swap,get a 1600 xflow - the best little engine ever put in a seven
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Monty2556
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| posted on 4/3/14 at 06:14 PM |
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The 1600 xflow was my preferred route but their like rocking horse poo. I know everything's on the "wrong" side for a Pinto but it
doesn't look that hard to relocate. Honest!!
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