Steve Lovelock
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 03:34 PM |
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Vauxhall 16V - gearbox options - what cars?
Hi,
Could anybody tell me what cars come with a gearbox that will bolt directly to the 16V redtop engine for rear wheel drive please? I need to go
hunting but I'm not sure what to hunt for.
Regards
Steve
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billy
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 03:42 PM |
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Hi steve, im afraid the onlygearbox you can use is the opel manta box, maybe a carlton im not sure. ive been using a getrag box from a 1800 Manta,
this bolts straight up on the engine. all you need to get is a small spigot bearing from sbd to fit in the middle of the flywheel. im afraid these
boxes are now quite rare and sought after. i used one as a cheap option but they have naff ratios. cheers
luego-lo-cost finished,vauxhall 16v 2.0,twin 45s de-dion rear set up
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ruudbeckers
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 04:55 PM |
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I believe another option is the gearbox of an Omega. However, if the engine is in a vertical position the gearbox will be tilted 7 degrees.
(Don't know to what side).
This is the gearbox I'm planning to use if I can find one.
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nige
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 07:04 PM |
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gearbox
carlton box will fit
the early type has splined output
later type has rubber doughnut coupling
this is the one ive used
when you start this journey
you think it will be done in " no " time but then " no " turns into a " bloody " long time
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ned
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 09:44 PM |
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if its of any use to anyone i have a getrag box from a manta gte, bellhousing pattern is wrong (starter on other side), but they are the same getrag
internals as the manta 1800 box if any needs it for parts...
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 7/5/05 at 04:29 PM |
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Not sure if this is any help, but you can get an adapter to bolt the Red Top to a Ford Type 9 box - it's mentioned on Ned's website.
Cheers,
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 9/5/05 at 03:44 PM |
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20XE/Type9 bell housing is around £170. Most of the Rally specialists can supply then as it's a popular RWD Escort conversion.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 10/5/05 at 07:21 AM |
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Yes, if you can afford it then definitely go with the conversion bellhousing and Ford gearbox, type 9 gearboxes are much more common and much easier
to uprate should the need arise (and it will!)
The Opel Manta 1800 box, as Ned states, shares it's internals identically with the Manta GTE 'box, bu as the bellhousing is cast as part
of the front casing of the gearbox, you still need the front casing from a manta 1800 'box for it to be of any use.
Manta 1800 boxes are expensive because loads of people are doing the sensible thing and putting 16vs in mantas (something I did with mine many years
ago in 1996!) As a member of the Opel Manta Owners Club I have tried to stem the flow of these gearboxes to scrapyards when they inevitably blow up (I
broke 3 in my manta!) by pointing out that when they break, swap the front casing onto a manta GTE 'box, which any self respecting manta owner
will have several of!!
The Carlton/Omega boxes will fit the XE 16v, but the bulky rubber donut coupling for the prop can be a pain, and yes, some early 1800 and 2.0 carltons
didn't seem to have them, but I have no idea when the change was made!
I think the best route is to go with the Ford type 9 conversion in the longer run.
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ruudbeckers
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| posted on 11/5/05 at 01:31 PM |
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What about the gearbox of a Vauxhall VX220/Opel speedster (if you can find one)? Or does it not fit?
The VX220 turbo has 200 horsepower, so the gearbox should be strong enough.
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ned
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| posted on 11/5/05 at 01:33 PM |
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vx220 engine is transversly mounted in the rear, so quite useless for a rwd inline front engined configuration i'm afraid..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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ruudbeckers
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| posted on 11/5/05 at 01:37 PM |
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Sorry, forgot that the engine was mounted in the rear.
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ruudbeckers
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| posted on 11/5/05 at 07:25 PM |
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I was looking for a manta gearbox, and found out that some gearboxes have bolted on bellhousings and at others the gearbox and bellhousing are a
single piece.
What's the difference between thes boxes? Or is it that the early type manta's have the bolted on bellhousings and the later types have
the single piece gearboxes?
I guess that the bellhousing of an 1800 manta will also fit on a 2000 manta. But I also read somewhere that these bellhousings will fit on other
getrag gearboxes, for example on the gearbox of an BWM. Is this true? And will this be usefull for a locost?
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NS Dev
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| posted on 11/5/05 at 08:36 PM |
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the bolted on bellhousings will only be on 4 speed models, which won't be 1800's and wont be of any use either!
The 5 speed is the gearbox you need, and on all of these the bellhousing is cast as part of the front gearbox casing. The 1800 front casing is
different to the 2.0 one.
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