James
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| posted on 14/1/03 at 05:16 PM |
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Mounting Pinto- still! Part Deux
Nearly finished my engine mounts but just been wondering at what angle should the Pinto sit? By which I mean in a longitudinal direction should the
top of the block be horizontal?
I would have put it horizontal but seem to remember a post where someone said a Crossflow should tilt up at the front and therefore wondered if Pinto
was possibly similar in this regard.
Just thought I'd check! 
Thanks,
James
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interestedparty
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| posted on 14/1/03 at 05:42 PM |
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Is it on carburettor/s? Have a look at the float chamber and manifold, some of these are canted to allow for sloping back fitment in the original car.
Can't see that it matters though, I'd fit it wherever gets the best clearance, bonnet height etc
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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James
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| posted on 14/1/03 at 06:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
Is it on carburettor/s? Have a look at the float chamber and manifold, some of these are canted to allow for sloping back fitment in the original car.
Can't see that it matters though, I'd fit it wherever gets the best clearance, bonnet height etc
John
Hi John,
It's the injection '205' model but I'm planning to fit carbs.
Cheers,
James
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 14/1/03 at 07:15 PM |
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James.
I kid you not, if you are going to fit Carbs then you WILL have to change the head. The inlet ports on an injection head are pear shaped to allow for
the injectors.
All carb manifolds WILL all have round ports and you WILL end up with air leaks.
Another of the governing factors that will affect the fitting of the engine is which rear suspension you are using. If you are using IRS then
generally you can mount on a level plane because there is no movement of the Diff. If using a live axle then a shallow angle is better because they
were orignally designed to have a slight upward angle starting from the diff. this was to give better oil flow around the diff and amongst other
things it helped to control axle tramping.
Enjoy
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James
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| posted on 15/1/03 at 10:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
James.
I kid you not, if you are going to fit Carbs then you WILL have to change the head. The inlet ports on an injection head are pear shaped to allow for
the injectors.
All carb manifolds WILL all have round ports and you WILL end up with air leaks.
Oh Crap 
Are there no compatible manifolds available? That's a real pity, I'd gathered the '205' head was superior (in a gas flowing sense) to the
standard.
In fact what's more of a pity is I've already rebuilt the '205' one! 
Could I get one made up possibly?
What about a cut and shut between a carb and an injection manifold? Ie. weld the bottom part of an injection with the top half of a carb? Possible??
I know some people have chopped the injection (to get it to fit) so presumably the above is theoretically possible?
Thanks,
James
[Edited on 15/1/03 by James]
[Edited on 15/1/03 by James]
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philgregson
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| posted on 15/1/03 at 10:45 AM |
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Not wanting to disagree with the Jolly GG 'cos he obviously knows considerably more about this sort of thing than I do - But!
I have a sierra 2.0 pinto with EFI (got it for free for bits but it has accidently ended up on the road for her indoors - bugger) that I was thinking
of using the engine from at one point.
I was discussing the excessive injection height with the car chap round the corner who (bear with me here - I'll get to the point eventually),
amongst other things, restores scimitars. He buys old V6 sierras and granadas, sticks the V6's in the Scimitars, sticks pintos in the original car
and sells them on. Anyway he says that he 'just sticks carbs on the EFI ones' and they apparently run well without any head swapping.
Now I don't know if I've misunderstood somewhere along the line or if we are talking about a diferent engine here but I thought it was worth
mentioning.
Phil.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 15/1/03 at 11:06 AM |
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Ok so he sells them on. is he going to drive them & pay for the repair bills down the road when all goes (sorry) pear shapped. Nope muggins who bought
the car will.
Motor trade in a nut shell. (IMHO)
Do the job right first time & it won't come back.
Or James how about an alley spacer/adapter plate. Could be good, it would deffinately give you a good swirl effect over the backs of the valves.?
Enjoy.
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bob
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| posted on 15/1/03 at 04:15 PM |
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JAMES & JJG
I got a feeling you can buy those adapter plates for the manifold,its either Vulcan/Burtons/dunnels or maybe Webers.
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James
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| posted on 16/1/03 at 10:46 AM |
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Phoned Vulcan
quote:
Originally posted by bob
I got a feeling you can buy those adapter plates for the manifold,its either Vulcan/Burtons/dunnels or maybe Webers.
Well, I've spoken to Steve at Vulcan about it, really nice, helpful guy. Seems there's a couple of options available.
Apparently you can have the inlet holes welded partially (to make them circular) or you can buy a special manifold (that's 1" long apparently!)
that's designed for it. It's £87+vat!
Apparently you need 9" space between the end of the engine and the side rails.
Decisions decisions...
James
[Edited on 16/1/03 by James]
[Edited on 16/1/03 by James]
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James
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| posted on 16/1/03 at 10:58 AM |
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Well, I've spoken to Steve at Vulcan about it, really nice, helpful guy. Seems there's a couple of options available.
Interestingly he also told me that 45s were more economical than 40s which surprised me. He said this was because for a given fuel output the 40s had
to be working much harder than 45s (or atleast I think that was the reason atleast ).
James
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 16/1/03 at 03:07 PM |
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The number (ie 40/45/48) refers to the maximum diameter of the carb before you fit venturi's. If a 1.6 Kent lump runs sweet on 40's (possibly 45's
if your racing) then think about the extra air flow though the carb that a 2.0 will require. This Will create extra vacuum through the main idle jets
therefore increasing fuel flow. Go up to 45/48 for a 2.0 lump and the economy returns because you don't have the same problem with balancing
air-flow/fuel.
Enjoy.
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James
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| posted on 21/1/03 at 12:31 PM |
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Ok, well here's a picture of Vulcan's adapter:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/xmb/photos/cgi-bin/showpic.pl?adapter.jpg
to fit carbs to the '205' head. It's £87+vat
Opinions anybody?
Cheers,
James
[Edited on 21/1/03 by James]
[Edited on 21/1/03 by James]
[Edited on 21/1/03 by James]
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interestedparty
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| posted on 21/1/03 at 01:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
Opinions anybody?
[Edited on 21/1/03 by James]
Link doesn't work, James, so no opinions
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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James
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| posted on 21/1/03 at 01:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
quote:
Originally posted by James
Opinions anybody?
[Edited on 21/1/03 by James]
Link doesn't work, James, so no opinions
John
Right! Three edit's later and it no longer put's a space in the middle of the link! Apologies to all those for whom it didn't work!
Cheers, James
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 21/1/03 at 02:21 PM |
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should do the job. looks pretty good. Be even better with '45s' on it.
You just need the gaskets now. You will need to give ford a ring to get the injection manifold gasket though. all the others will be off the shelf
from a factor. See its not all doom & gloom.
Enjoy.
Better Yet some really sexy 48's or 50's
[Edited on 21/1/03 by jollygreengiant]
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interestedparty
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| posted on 21/1/03 at 02:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
Opinions anybody?
Yeah, go on, you know you want it, don't you
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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James
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| posted on 21/1/03 at 05:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
quote:
Originally posted by James
Opinions anybody?
Yeah, go on, you know you want it, don't you
John
Well, I'm not sure what to do now.
The Pumaracing Pinto guide is pretty interesting:
http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/pinto.htm
I think that was where I first read about the 205 head being better (10 BHP!) but on re-reading I've noticed that once you've got either head
gas-flowed the result is the same.
So, the question is, is 10BHP worth an £87+vat adapter?
Decisions decisions...
Cheers,
James
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James
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| posted on 21/1/03 at 05:58 PM |
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Alright James, stop being a t055er
Alright, alright, as someone's probably about to point out to me- I'm going to need to buy a manifold anyway so if I offset the manifold cost
(approx £50?) against the £87 it works out so cheap it's practically free!
Very Locost...
James
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 21/1/03 at 07:53 PM |
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James look at it this way and it will seem well cheap.
F1 teams spend millions trying to get a 10bhp power inrease.
Or
original bhp 100. new bhp 110 = 10% increase. PLUS I get the lovely sound of those CARBS. YES there is a god.
OR
The price of a smile can have no value.
Enjoy.
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