Trev Borg
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| posted on 24/4/07 at 08:27 PM |
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Type 9's again sorry
Of the type 9's available, are any stonger than others?
I have the long shaft V6 one but I bugggggerd it.
whats the difference bewtween P100, 2.0 granada 2.0 sierra ?
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saigonij
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| posted on 24/4/07 at 08:55 PM |
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the xr4i is the strongest of all the v6 type 9's.
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Chippy
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| posted on 24/4/07 at 10:57 PM |
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I think that you will find that there are just two types, early, and late, but all type 9's are basicaly the same. Other than the gear ratios,
which vary on standard, V6, (best gear ratios), and diesel, (crap gear ratios). One thing for sure depending on early or late, all the bearings are
interchangable. HTH Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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NS Dev
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 10:24 AM |
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ALL COMPLETELY WRONG!!!
The long input v6 boxes have different bearings, with a larger layshaft bearing mounted in a screwed on boss instead of running directly in the iron
housing, and longer needles inside it, plus a thicker layshaft I think.
There are a number of other differences as well, which i have gone and forgotten!
The 2.3 diesel boxes have different selector forks, which are thicker bronze forgings (or die castings not sure which), again, I have built std type
9's with diesel forks in as the std ones bend in "determined" hands.
Mend the v6 box if at all possible, I'm certain that the mainshafts are interchangeable, so if you have damaged that, then take the one out of
the std type 9 and strip the v6 box (not hard to do) and replace the mainshaft.
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 08:08 PM |
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OK tried to get the extension off the gearbox, but you have to select reverse so that you can knock the selector rod connector pin out.
Guess what, the only gear I cam select is third.
Does this mean the selector rod is bugggered?
do I just hack saw the end off the housing to get to the pin?
[Edited on 25/4/2007 by Trev Borg]
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Chippy
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 11:14 PM |
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You dont have to hacksaw anything. If you press the gear lever down, to the left, and up, you should be where revers is. If it wont go in then turn
the input shaft a bit and try again, it will go eventualy.
NS Dev Rubbish, read what I wrote again. "ie" early and late. Early having just needle rollers on the layshaft, later having the
bolt in bearing, (still with needle rollers in). That apart from the ratios, and length of main shaft, is all that is different. As for the diesel box
having larger selecter forks, they certainly were not in the one I got stuck with. Ray
PS. Layshaft is exactly the same on either.
[Edited on 25-4-07 by Chippy]
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 06:33 AM |
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I think the reason I can not get reverse is that the extension housing on my box is cracked, and the selector rod is no longer central in the
housing.
I have tried (B, F, and ignorance) many times, but I can not even get it to go into 4th.
The only gear it will select is 3rd 
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By that time, who cares.
You're a mile away, and you've got his shoes
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NS Dev
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 12:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippy
You dont have to hacksaw anything. If you press the gear lever down, to the left, and up, you should be where revers is. If it wont go in then turn
the input shaft a bit and try again, it will go eventualy.
NS Dev Rubbish, read what I wrote again. "ie" early and late. Early having just needle rollers on the layshaft, later having the
bolt in bearing, (still with needle rollers in). That apart from the ratios, and length of main shaft, is all that is different. As for the diesel box
having larger selecter forks, they certainly were not in the one I got stuck with. Ray
PS. Layshaft is exactly the same on either.
[Edited on 25-4-07 by Chippy]
How early is early??
I have had 1981, 82, 86, 87 and 88 v6 type 9's in bits and all had the big layshaft bearings.
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Chippy
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 10:14 PM |
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Trev Borg, sorry to highlack your thread, for the moment.
NS Dev.The bigger bearing on the layshaft was introduced in June 1986, Fords build code for this box was GU. ALL boxes prior to that were the
small bearing. If you have boxes prior to that date with the bigger bearing then they have been converted, which was/is a popular mod done by all/most
of the gearbox overhaulers. The reason for the mod, by the way, was because the XR4i used to eat its gearbox due in main to the layshaft bearing
getting sh****d. As to the remainder of the bearings, every single Type 9 has identical ones, Standard, V6, Transit, and Diesel. So here endeth the
1st lesson.  Cheers, Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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Chippy
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 10:23 PM |
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Trev Borg, if the extention housing is buggered then it isn't going to matter if you cut through the thing to get at the roll pin in the
selector shaft, didn't realise that it was brocken when I said you wouldn't need to cut it. Is the remainder of the box OK?
shouldn't be a major problem to get another extention housing, although may cost a few bob, unless somebody on here has one. I had one but took
it down the tip, about a month ago, not that that helps much. Regards, Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 11:26 PM |
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well i have another box (standard) and thinking of using it. Would the extension housing of that just bolt staright on.
I would not of though they were any different.
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By that time, who cares.
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 11:34 PM |
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quote Haynes Ford Siera V6
"on june 1986-on models (build code GU), unbolt the spigot from the front of the casing then drive it out from the roller bearing blah blah
blah.
On pre-june 1986 models, using a blah blah.
Is this what theCough discussion is on about?
And where do i find these build codes everyone is on about ?
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 11:47 PM |
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just looking at the manual again, in the oil, level bit it states "all five speed gearboxes built from May 1984 (build code EC) to the end of
April 1985 (build code FP) and allvehicles built prior to april 1994 and subsequently fitted with a modified transmission extension housing blah blah
blah.
Whats the modified housing? and will any housing still fit? and i'll popst in the wanted section section to see if anyone has a spare.
thanks for you help guys
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Chippy
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| posted on 27/4/07 at 10:39 PM |
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Here starts the second lesson
Yes the extention will fit, regardless of which box it came from. The mod made to the extention housing was they moulded in an oil groove down the
side, (inside), to feed oil to the fifth gear, as on the very early boxes they got some oil starvation to the gear, which is actualy outside the
gearbox proper. You can identify which one you have by looking at the side of the housing that has the fifth gear locking plate fitted, early boxes
had a single external rib down there length, the later one has two ribs. Should you have one of the early, and one of the later types, you have to use
the selector from the extention housing that you fit, as that is one part that differs on both, and the one from one won't fit the other, (if
that makes sence). Hope your taking all this in. Ray.
PS. The ident letters are stamped on a metal plate that is held on by one of the extention housing bolts, (Sorry missed that bit).
[Edited on 27-4-07 by Chippy]
[Edited on 27-4-07 by Chippy]
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violentblue
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| posted on 28/4/07 at 02:55 AM |
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anybody know what north american models the type9 was used in? looks like the mt75 I had coming is going to take way too long. And I need to bolt a
tranny up to my 2.0l zetec so I can get it finished before summer.
a few pics of my other projects
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 30/4/07 at 09:47 PM |
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ok then, hacksaw'd the end on the extension, removed the pin and selector rod connector, took off the extension housing.
While removing the housing, the countershaft decides it wanted out aswell, and parlty disembarked.
Then looking down the whole it left, i found the needle rollers were jumping ship also.
Took the shaft out and noticed a nice big groove on the countershaft where it sits on the needles.
Not all the way round in a nice even pattern, but hardly noticable on one side, and deep as hell oppersite.
Is it FUBAR'ed ?
can not be right, can it ?
[Edited on 30/4/2007 by Trev Borg]
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By that time, who cares.
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 30/4/07 at 10:04 PM |
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Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.
By that time, who cares.
You're a mile away, and you've got his shoes
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Mr G
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| posted on 30/4/07 at 10:48 PM |
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Concerning the front bearing, this is deja-vu
I mentioned that the earlier v6 boxes did'nt have the uprated front bearing (like my 83 xr4i) and the only time i'd seen it used was in
post 85 v6 4x4's
HERE
Earlier type 9's took 1.9 litres of oil which can be checked by looking at the height of the filler plug on the side of the main casing which
will be higher. Also notice the lack of the extra cast stiffening rib on the tail section:
Compared to the lower filler plug for the later 1.2 litre version with added stiffening rib
[Edited on 1/5/07 by Mr G]
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 1/5/07 at 09:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippy
Trev Borg, sorry to highlack your thread, for the moment.
NS Dev.The bigger bearing on the layshaft was introduced in June 1986, Fords build code for this box was GU. ALL boxes prior to that were the
small bearing. If you have boxes prior to that date with the bigger bearing then they have been converted, which was/is a popular mod done by all/most
of the gearbox overhaulers. The reason for the mod, by the way, was because the XR4i used to eat its gearbox due in main to the layshaft bearing
getting sh****d. As to the remainder of the bearings, every single Type 9 has identical ones, Standard, V6, Transit, and Diesel. So here endeth the
1st lesson. Cheers, Ray
ahhhhh!!
ok, lesson learned!!!
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