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pjavon

posted on 12/8/07 at 06:09 PM Reply With Quote
are my piper285 cams knackered

OH MY GOD!!! Had a oil starvation problem at a recent trackday and thought i'd just knackered my big end and main shells but after replacing them, they were knackered, i took the car for a run and the KNOCKING was still there. So i've just removed the cam cover to discover that the camshafts(piper 285) are heavily scored in the caps.
Does anyone know of any sort of remedy as i spent 3 months and a lot of money on this engine and as far as i can see my very expensive cams and the head i ported and hand ground all the valves in is FUBAR
Any help please as i've had to have my shoe laces and belt taken off me so i can't hang myself
Paul





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coozer

posted on 12/8/07 at 07:42 PM Reply With Quote
See if you can get them reground into a different phase.





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mookaloid

posted on 12/8/07 at 07:47 PM Reply With Quote
The knocking could be various things - did you inspect the crank journals? if the bearings were knackered then there is a good chance that the mains and big ends are less than perfect.

If the cams are scored too then you really need a full strip down and recondition.

Whilst it is apart you should have a think about why it suffered form oil starvation and cure that too....

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davie h

posted on 12/8/07 at 08:32 PM Reply With Quote
as above re-check the bottom end and the oil pump/supply and as for the cam i have seen them repaired by a process the engineers called metal spraying and then regrinding the profile. (the last time i saw it used was a good 9 years ago so it may not be able to be done now)

ps i hope i am right

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Dusty

posted on 12/8/07 at 08:35 PM Reply With Quote
As above but if you return the cams to piper they may be able to regrind to a slightly smaller base circle.
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pjavon

posted on 12/8/07 at 09:14 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks for the replies, I know why i had a starvation problem, the oil filler cap came loose/nearly off while i was lapping anglesey circuit so the level dropped which then lead to starvation while going round the corners. The problem is i'm not sure how far i went before i noticed
I measured the crank journels and i'm not sure what they should be but they were all the same (i think they were 58.85mm) with a micrometer, as advised the engines comming out tomorrow night, but just concerned if the cams have worn the caps that the head will be useless
Paul





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big_wasa

posted on 13/8/07 at 05:42 AM Reply With Quote
bin the engine and get a fresh bottom end, its cheaper than a set of bearings
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NS Dev

posted on 13/8/07 at 12:14 PM Reply With Quote
Surely the cam will only wear the cam bearing journals.

You can soon get a new set of cam bearings put in there!





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MikeRJ

posted on 13/8/07 at 04:39 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
Surely the cam will only wear the cam bearing journals.

You can soon get a new set of cam bearings put in there!


Don't Zetecs run the cams direct in the alloy head like most modern engines?

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