trialsman
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| posted on 6/10/07 at 10:51 PM |
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Engine and trans combination
Will a Ford 711m 1600cc engine bolt right up to a Merkur XR4Ti (What you call a Serria) T9 trans? Or do I need a different bellhousing or adaptor? I
tried to replace my 1300cc 711m/4 speed with a Miata MX5 Miata 1800cc/5 speed but there is not enough room in my Locost bay. Also is the 1600cc block
taller than the 1300cc? Thanks Russ
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worX
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| posted on 6/10/07 at 11:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
1600 block is taller.
What would we know the Merkur engine as over here ?
one of these...
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blakep82
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| posted on 6/10/07 at 11:12 PM |
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is the Ford 711m a crossflow?
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trialsman
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| posted on 6/10/07 at 11:33 PM |
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It is a Serria on your side of the pond like the above pic. Yes the 711m 1600 is crossflow just like the 1300cc. Does anybody know how much taller???
Russ
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Simon
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| posted on 6/10/07 at 11:37 PM |
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Yeah the 711 is a crossflow.
Russ,
The Sierra was fitted with numerous engines over here (from memory the 1600/2000 Pinto, 2.8 V6 Cologne, 2.9 V6, the turbo'd Cosworth unit
etc)
Most were fitted with the Ford type 9 box, unless it was the V6 which I think may have had the MT75.
Unfortunately I'm not to hot on Ford stuff, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly who is, and may be more help
ATB
Simon
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MikeR
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| posted on 6/10/07 at 11:50 PM |
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1600 crossflow is 1" taller than the 1300. This inch is in the section above the water pump making the exhaust and inlet 1" higher.
The sierra / type 9 gearbox bolts straight to the crossflow engine. make sure you use the metal ring from the gearbox, the 4 speed one won't fit
the type 9 without some modification.
Sierras had pinto's 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, cvh 1.8, twin cam 2.0 (which was a modified pinto), 2.8 and 2.9 v6. The 2.8 and 2.9 used the heavy duty type
9. This had a slightly longer (1 " input shaft and correspondingly 1" longer bell housing. The advantage of this is it can take more
power and has a slightly better first gear ration 3.2 (i think) vs 3.56 in the standard type 9.
Mid way through the sierra's life the gearbox was replaced with the MT series. This also bolts straight to the sierra engines and therefore to
the crossflow. It will take more power but is wider and has slightly worse ratios. Another downside is the gear ratio's can't be changed
with aftermarket options. (although i believe its easier to re-position the gear lever).
Finally there is the 4 wheel drive versions, these have a 'bolt on' front drive take off on the type 9's. Not sure if this can be
removed to convert a 4 wheel drive box to rear wheel drive. No idea how the MT series does 4 wheel drive.
To spot the difference i think the MT is an Ali box and the type 9 is cast iron. (plus they look very different but if you haven't got anytihng
to compare hopefully that information will be enough for you to spot them in a junk yaard.)
In the cosworth engine the T5 gearbox was used with an appropriate bolt on bell housing to make the two work together.
(nb its late, bound to be some mistakes in the above).
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trialsman
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| posted on 6/10/07 at 11:59 PM |
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What is this "metal ring" Is it something that should be with the trans?? What does it look like so I can see if it is there. Russ
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trialsman
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| posted on 7/10/07 at 12:07 AM |
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Looks like the Merkur in the USA only had a 2300cc turbocharged engine, Russ
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scotty g
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| posted on 7/10/07 at 08:23 AM |
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The 2.0 twin was a modified pinto???
Are you sure about that one? They don't appear to have a single thing in common.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 7/10/07 at 05:32 PM |
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I thought the 2.3 engine looks like a pinto but is physically bigger all around so you cannot swap heads etc.
From distant memory they were cast in Australia ?
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 7/10/07 at 05:44 PM |
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lima is different , and came with a t5 box like the cossie - unfortunately i dont know if the bellhousings are the same , only that it will have
detachable one , which you could swap .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
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david walker
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| posted on 7/10/07 at 08:14 PM |
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The Sierra also came with a 1.3 Pinto, a 1600CVH and 1.8TD just to complete the list.
The American 2.3 Pinto is the same as ours as long as you don't get closer than 20 feet when comparing and then only squint. Nothing is
interchangeable
The DOHC has absolutely nothing in common with a Pinto!
Dave Walker, Race Engine Services - 07957 454659 or 01636 671277
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DarrenW
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| posted on 7/10/07 at 08:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by david walker
The American 2.3 Pinto is the same as ours as long as you don't get closer than 20 feet when comparing and then only squint. Nothing is
interchangeable
That has to be the quote of the month!!!
Was it the 2.3 that gave the Mustang such a bad name in the late 70's? Cant possibly be mentioned in the same breath as the iconic 2.0 Pinto????
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MikeR
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| posted on 7/10/07 at 11:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
No - the Lima is a modified Pinto.
The 2.0 DOHC 8 valve as found in Sierras and Granadas is a different bucket of bolts all together.
Hey, i did say it was late and i was bound to have got something wrong
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snapper
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| posted on 8/10/07 at 02:19 PM |
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Type 9 , MT75 and Cosworth T5 all have the same engine to bell housing configuration, Fords kept the bolt patterns pretty standard even up to the
Zetec which was always a transverse location but the front wheel drive gearbox still had the same bolt pattern.
Where it gets a bit difficult is when we use a Type 9 from a V6 engined car then we have two problems, the bell housing is different and the input
shaft is longer.
You can use a 30mm spacer between gearbox and inline 4 bell housing to correct this. ( I have)
The 711m ( Crossflow) used a 4 speed ford box later using the 4 speed type 9 so should bolt to the 5 speed, gear ratios on the 4 speed and the T5 are
much better than the 5 Type 9 speed thats why i adapted the V6 box
[Edited on 8/10/07 by snapper]
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