atomic
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 08:49 PM |
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S2000
Gone and done it, just took delivery of a Honda S2000 engine and box, anyone got any experience with these?..
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macspeedy
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:15 PM |
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http://www.worldclassmotorsports.com/
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dave1888
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:30 PM |
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Nice machine
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andyps
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:52 PM |
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No experience, but should make a great (not very)locost.
Good luck with using it.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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stressy
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 06:37 AM |
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keep the oil nice and high
I recently saw one sat in the local garage whiuch has run low and got oil starvation on the main bearings which then needed new shells. These
apparntly were gonna cost £5k cos the come with a free engine.!!!!
Nice engine tho, i guess this is going in a rather special chassis
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atomic
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 07:22 AM |
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Going into a Quantum Extreme.
I know there are a few issues with oil starvation, mainly in No4 Cylinder. Honda changed the Banjo bolts from a two hole to a four hole head design to
correct this.
5K ooohhhh thats got to be painful. I only paid 2.5K for a 51 plate 21K Engine, Gearbox, ECU&Loom inc delivery from...
http://www.silverlakeautoparts.co.uk/breakerdetails.aspx?ID=1541
I found this before going for the engine but think it could be worth the risk.
http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8051
[Edited on 8/9/04 by atomic]
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James
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 08:24 AM |
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I don't- but I want to! 
Pretty good chance it'll be the engine I upgrade to post SVA.
Will you be running it with the standard ECU and injection system?
Cheers,
James
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atomic
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 03:47 PM |
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Yeah I plan on using the std injection system and ecu. I have spoken to a friend who is a Ex Honda Works Mec and he advised if I can not to bother
with throttle bodies ect on these engines. A lot of money with little or no gain.
If I run into problerms I may use a Omex ECU but hopefully not.
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ned
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 03:50 PM |
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i gather you have to retain the entire standard loom and ignition switch etc due to the imobiliser being run through the car's ecu. I've
heard of motronic kit being used as an aftermarket ecu to overcome this. larger throttle body and better exhast should get a few more bhp, after that
it starts getting even more expensive..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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James
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 04:13 PM |
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Atomic,
I know they can be tuned quite a lot. If TB's are out what is done? Is forced induction the only option left? I know there are 'bolt
on' superchaarger kits.
I was told the engine will cope with 350BHP on standard internals. Is this the case?
Cheers,
James
[Edited on 8/9/04 by James]
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atomic
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 06:12 PM |
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Forced induction is the only way. I was told by my man of a guy who spend 6k on doing everything to the engine but forced induction and only gained
about 8bhp.
You can now get superchargers that use a turbo housing and turbine to reduce the size but are belt driven. If in the distant future I decide 240BHP is
not enought then I may go down this route.
[Edited on 8/9/04 by atomic]
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ned
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 09:15 AM |
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i've heard n/a they can go to 300bhp 
quite a lot of work due to the vvt cams, but cam profiles can be changed, rpm lifted a bit, porting etc etc. maybe i'm thinking of the k20
engine which is the type-r engine, 200bhp uk spec, 220bhp jap spec.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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atomic
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| posted on 20/9/04 at 08:15 AM |
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Decided to ditch the std ecu and go with a Emerald M3DK, also looking at dry sumping. If I don't go for a dry sump the will def get a Baffled
Sump from the likes of Spoon or Mugen.
On another note, went in a Civic Type-R engined S1 Elise by Blink Motosport the other day around the Anglesey track and Fek me it was quick.
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James
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| posted on 20/9/04 at 09:44 AM |
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Old school friend phoned me up yesterday and offered me a spin in his S2000. Went out for half hour or so- damn is that a nice car!
He's selling it next year so if anyone was to give me 17K or so I'd be very grateful!
Anyway, had a good look under the bonnet. The engine's pretty bloody tall isn't it! Although saying that I think it's about the same
as the Pinto.
Atomic,
How come you decided to ditch the ECU? And what chassis are you putting the engine in? Locost or summat else?
Cheers,
James
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Peteff
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| posted on 20/9/04 at 10:25 AM |
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Quantum Extreme was mentioned.
Pay attention at the back!!!! There's one round the corner from me, belongs to a joiner. He must be charging the right prices by the sound of
that James.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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James
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| posted on 20/9/04 at 11:15 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
Pay attention at the back!!!! There's one round the corner from me, belongs to a joiner. He must be charging the right prices by the sound of
that James.
Doh! Oh well, I've just come back from a very drunken weeks holiday so you can excuse a few memory cells having dissolved!
James
EDIT: Atomic, whereabouts are you based as I'd be interested to see the car at some point in the future.
[Edited on 20/9/04 by James]
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atomic
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| posted on 21/9/04 at 05:25 AM |
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The engine is tall, a little to tall. I have decided to get a dry dump setup from Race Engine Design, which will lower the engine 102mm.
Ditching the Std ECU because its a lot of work and the car I got the engine from didn't have any keys with it at the breakers and unfortunalty
the ECU contains a immobiliser for which you need the keys to over come.. The Emerald can have two maps installed one for road use and one for track
is the plan.
Based in Gods own County - West Yorkshire.
When I have decided I have all the parts I want, I plan on doing a comprehensive website detailing the build, mods ect with lots of nice pictures.
[Edited on 21/9/04 by atomic]
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James
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| posted on 21/9/04 at 09:55 AM |
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102mm?
That'll deffo make it shorter than a Pinto- should be easy to fit in then.
How much is the Emerald system? I'm guessing £500-£1000?
Have you considered Megasquirt? It's probably quite a lot of work but would save a lot of money.
Cheers,
James
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ned
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| posted on 21/9/04 at 12:44 PM |
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James,
I know we're a lcoost forum, but if you'd just spent a considerabe amount of money on an engine would you want to risk running it a bit
lean or worse case blowing it up by building your own injection system and mapping it? I certainly wouldn't!
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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James
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| posted on 21/9/04 at 01:18 PM |
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If you'd just spent a considerable amount of money (and time!) on a car would you want to risk running it down a motorway at 70mph? I suspect
your answer will be yes.
At the end of the day you're building your own car. You're trusting your skills to strap yourself into a pile of steel and ali and propel
it down a road at high speed. You're building your own brakes for Chrissake! If you trust yourself to do all that then I don't personally
think it's a great leap to build your own injection system!
Americans manage to use Megasquirt- how hard can it be!
Anyway, it was just a suggestion. The next engine I use will most likely be injection and I'm 100% that it will be Megasquirt.
Atb,
James
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atomic
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| posted on 21/9/04 at 08:31 PM |
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The Megasquirt doesn't really do what I and want with the complexity of the Vtec engine I don't want to take the risk. Emerald is a
complete 3d ECU and they already have a S2000 Map.
The Emerald is £550 and the Dry Sump £1000 + vat
This thing is starting to cost serious money, new I should have stuck with a trusty old Pinto.
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James
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| posted on 22/9/04 at 09:17 AM |
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I'll have to see it as a challenge then!
Anyway, gotta go, need to get on with this design for launch control I'm planning!
Cheers,
James
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Cazzy R
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 posted on 23/9/04 at 12:45 PM |
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What about Honda engines rotating in the oposite direction to the norm? Or is that a myth?
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ned
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| posted on 23/9/04 at 01:01 PM |
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the newer engines rotate the correct/normal way..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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atomic
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| posted on 24/9/04 at 07:28 AM |
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Engines older than 2000 rotate anti clockwise, newer ones rotate in what could be called the normal direction.
Older engines can be made to rotate clockwise but it does involve a lot of work. New Cams are needs as is a new ecu which can have the firing order
changed.
Some of our American cousin's have done this.
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