jps
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 01:53 PM |
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1.0 Ford EcoBoost - is a 7 any place for it?
I realise a lot of LCB are interested in mad power, huge displacement and/or BEC. But does anyone think this engine could be of interest to 7 builders
in the future?
Linky to details of Ford 1.0 EcoBoost engine
Obviously it can be made to have some clout
Linky to ridiculous Formula Ford 'concept' they built
around it just to show off
I guess a big limiting factor would be the years we'll need to wait until they are going for £50 in scrap yards?
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beaver34
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 01:58 PM |
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they use clever direct injection and fuel pumps, the managment is out there to run them at the moment but its very expensive that is the major worry
that i see at the moment
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big_wasa
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 02:09 PM |
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Most people buying bike engines don't look for the nearest aftermarket ecu to run them more complex car engines are no different. There is just
more to get your head around.
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Ajohnston_10
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 02:23 PM |
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I'v got the Fiesta zs 1L EcoBoost kicking out 123bhp.
Its a pritty nippy car, so i can imagen it in a 7 will be fairly quick.
Better idea, use the 1.6 EcoBoost!
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belgian2b
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 02:56 PM |
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Hello,
i have given a look at this engine after testing the Focus with125 bhp.
Engine is very short, but it 's also very high.
So , i think that this will be the problem to make it fit under the bonnet.
Gerardo
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 03:30 PM |
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The 1.0L Ecoboost has a footprint the size of a sheet of A4 paper apparently, but they are very tall which is always a problem in a 7.
I'm not sure the characteristics of the standard engine (i.e. torque quickly peaking at low RPM then tailing off fairly quickly) are really
appropriate for a fun, lightweight sportscar. I'd far rather have an engine that needs to be worked to extract the power rather than one
that's more like a diesel.
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Canada EH!
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 03:36 PM |
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Considering the original Lotus 7 had a flat head 4 cyl Ford Pop engine with hardly any horsepower, and many of the cars were built with 1000 cc Sprite
and early non cross flow Kent engines.
That engine is far superior but not Locost or easy to maintain.
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karlak
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 05:01 PM |
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My son has this engine in his Fiesta - in 100bhp guise.
I was prepared to be totally underwhelmed with it, but have to say was very impressed. It was the low down pull that really amazed me, almost diesel
like (but not quite), but then happily revs up to the red line.
I also find the engine noise quite nice.
Not sure of the weight with turbo etc attached though.
MK Indy - 2litre Duratec - Omex 600 - Jenvey throttle bodies - ETB DigiDash2
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sdh2903
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 05:10 PM |
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It's the way of the world. Small capacity and add a turbo. Even caterham are doing it. Formula 1 are doing it next season. Years ago people
said bike engines were daft in a car, now look at their popularity.
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DH2
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 05:28 PM |
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A good friend of mine is working on a 1.6 Ecoboost conversion kit for Elise.
Good for a comfortable 200+bhp.
It looks right at home in there, I must say.
DH2
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AndyW
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 08:05 PM |
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Just had a look at the new Kia Cee'd 1.6 petrol 201BHP and that's standard. Must have some potential
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beaver34
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| posted on 7/8/13 at 09:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DH2
A good friend of mine is working on a 1.6 Ecoboost conversion kit for Elise.
Good for a comfortable 200+bhp.
It looks right at home in there, I must say.
DH2
Sounds good, can I have one for my Vx 220 then!
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matt5964
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 06:16 AM |
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this is a link to a test drive of the road concept formula ford with the 1ltr eco boost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmZMwk14r4c&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL239B84BD346EEEFA
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iank
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 07:17 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt5964
this is a link to a test drive of the road concept formula ford with the 1ltr eco boost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmZMwk14r4c&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL239B84BD346EEEFA
Yes, but I don't think the engine is as pulled out of a donor. There's lots of work gone into making that perform well in a racing
car.
Work that can and will be done, no doubt, but it's going to take some development before it's "cheap".
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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DH2
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 07:30 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
quote:
Originally posted by DH2
A good friend of mine is working on a 1.6 Ecoboost conversion kit for Elise.
Good for a comfortable 200+bhp.
It looks right at home in there, I must say.
DH2
Sounds good, can I have one for my Vx 220 then!
Sort of. Though I think the rear subframes might be different on the VX to the Lotus? And this conversion retains the PG1 gearbox, as it is known to
be relatively strong.
And knowing you like your loopy power, 200 is pretty conservative, as I'm sure you are aware.
DH2
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beaver34
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 07:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DH2
quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
quote:
Originally posted by DH2
A good friend of mine is working on a 1.6 Ecoboost conversion kit for Elise.
Good for a comfortable 200+bhp.
It looks right at home in there, I must say.
DH2
Sounds good, can I have one for my Vx 220 then!
Sort of. Though I think the rear subframes might be different on the VX to the Lotus? And this conversion retains the PG1 gearbox, as it is known to
be relatively strong.
And knowing you like your loopy power, 200 is pretty conservative, as I'm sure you are aware.
DH2
better than its 150 that it has now, and im an expert with the simga based engines now 
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coozer
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 07:57 AM |
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The racing ecoboost has been delveloped in much the same way as the Cosworth Sierra motors IE, tons of money chucked in the project.. then about that
BDA they developed for the RS200. ££££££££££
My thinking for something similar is the 1600SE engine. How about turboing that and using a handy 220bhp with good torque figures?
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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eddie99
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 09:35 AM |
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I've been looking into the ecoboost range recently, i've been told the 1 ltr is unbalanced, its a steel engine so pretty heavy and it
doesnt lend itself towards RWD applications. So we're heading down the 1.6 ecoboost route for a road Pulse. Its a cheap way of achieving
210-220bhp from a standard engine. Electrics are the tricky bit using original parts but companies have done it and arent that expensive.
[Edited on 8/8/13 by eddie99]
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DH2
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 09:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
better than its 150 that it has now, and im an expert with the simga based engines now
Here's how a crate engine looks at home in an Elise... clickety-click
While I've got your attention - Sigma manifold dimensions?
DH2
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beaver34
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 09:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
I've been looking into the ecoboost range recently, i've been told the 1 ltr is unbalanced, its a steel engine so pretty heavy and it
doesnt lend itself towards RWD applications. So we're heading down the 1.6 ecoboost route for a road Pulse. Its a cheap way of achieving
210-220bhp from a standard engine. Electrics are the tricky bit using original parts but companies have done it and arent that expensive.
[Edited on 8/8/13 by eddie99]
i run a turbo sigma, wouldnt discount using that alot cheaper to buy and not too differnt does not have the direct injection or the vct though, will
take 220bhp fine on a stock block and crank you need to change rods and pistons
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beaver34
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 09:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DH2
quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
better than its 150 that it has now, and im an expert with the simga based engines now
Here's how a crate engine looks at home in an Elise... clickety-click
While I've got your attention - Sigma manifold dimensions?
DH2
exhaust manifold that i have for you?
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DH2
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 11:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
exhaust manifold that i have for you?
Your old manifold from the NA motor - is it still in your posession? ISTR that you have loaned it to someone?
I was just after some clues as to pipe diameters and lengths.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 11:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
I've been looking into the ecoboost range recently, i've been told the 1 ltr is unbalanced,
Three cylinder engines are naturally more unbalanced than a 4 cylinder ones. Instead of adding a balancer shaft Ford unbalanced the crank/flywheel
assembly so most of the vibrational energy occurs in the horizontal plane instead of the vertical plane, which can be absorbed by the engine mounts
more easily. It's a clever scheme, but implies that vibration could be a problem if you want to use stiffer engine mounts.
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beaver34
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| posted on 8/8/13 at 11:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DH2
quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
exhaust manifold that i have for you?
Your old manifold from the NA motor - is it still in your posession? ISTR that you have loaned it to someone?
I was just after some clues as to pipe diameters and lengths.
still need to get it back, will sort it and send it to you
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baz-R
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| posted on 29/7/14 at 05:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
I've been looking into the ecoboost range recently, i've been told the 1 ltr is unbalanced,
Three cylinder engines are naturally more unbalanced than a 4 cylinder ones. Instead of adding a balancer shaft Ford unbalanced the crank/flywheel
assembly so most of the vibrational energy occurs in the horizontal plane instead of the vertical plane, which can be absorbed by the engine mounts
more easily. It's a clever scheme, but implies that vibration could be a problem if you want to use stiffer engine mounts.
when i was studying engine design i was told that 3cyl inline engines ballance very well (vibration wise) if you ave a 120deg crank and from 3cyl bike
and car engines i have played with would say this is just not true yes there is a problem with 4 strokes and 3cyl's to get an even power strokes
but its not a real issue and theres plenty of engines outhere with uneven power strokes or oddfires as thay are somtines called.
saying that i have no exact design on what ford have actualy done in the 1l ecoboost but im sure it could be ironed out 
the future is that we are all just going to have to move on at some point so we best make an early start
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