ned
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| posted on 28/4/03 at 01:03 PM |
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Vauxhall Sumps
I've seen from previous posts that a manta big wing sump is a possibililty for a shallow sump for a 2ltr vauxhall. I've also heard that a
caterham sump is a shallow one too.
I was speaking to a friend at the weekend who is rebuilding a vauxhall engine to go back into a caterham road car and he recons there were several
different sumps on vauxhall raod cars and early caterham race cars used one of these.
Subsequently I've aquired one of these 'supposed' sumps for nowt, but wondered if anyone could tell me what a caterham sump normally
look like?
The one I've got is shallow at one end and then steps down at the other to being 5-6" deep. (the base is on a slight slant)
If I find my USB cable I'll pull the pictures off my digital camera and post them here.
Andrew.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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ned
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| posted on 28/4/03 at 01:05 PM |
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just to add, apparantly it normally has a nice baffle in it, though the one out of my sump is being used elsewhere so I haven't seen it....
beware, I've got yellow skin
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billy
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| posted on 30/4/03 at 08:00 PM |
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hi ned, with mine i had the standard sump modified,sounds the same as what you have. i can send you some pics if you want,
luego-lo-cost finished,vauxhall 16v 2.0,twin 45s de-dion rear set up
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ned
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| posted on 13/5/03 at 02:36 PM |
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Here's some pics at last.
Billy, is it the same as yours, it's alloy (!~@!)
Andrew.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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billy
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| posted on 13/5/03 at 09:31 PM |
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yo ned,looks the same to me what i had done was to cut the deep part off,flatten the bottom and formed a gull wing on the side,your bell housing will
dictate the amount you need to cut off
luego-lo-cost finished,vauxhall 16v 2.0,twin 45s de-dion rear set up
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Stu16v
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| posted on 13/5/03 at 11:26 PM |
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Err, looks like a standard VX 16v sump to me.....
There isnt a baffle as standard, only a windage tray (basically a plate that bolts inbetween sump and block). I'm afraid you will probably get
terrible oil surge without serious mods, and is unlikely to give enough ground clearance.
HTH Stu.
Dont just build it.....make it!
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ned
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| posted on 14/5/03 at 08:53 AM |
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Stu,
I have the windage tray on my new engine i recently purchased ( i now have a spare sump!)
what is the setup on yours as you mentioned oil surges and ground clearance problems.
thanks,
Andrew.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Mr G
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| posted on 14/5/03 at 12:38 PM |
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Lol Ned 
I just noticed the picture on your temporary web site.. looks like the cranks trying to make a break for it partly disguised as a rag....  
You going the conventional dizzy set up route then? I see a normal coil and amp module in the pic there..
G
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ned
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| posted on 14/5/03 at 12:57 PM |
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Mr G,
The crank in the pic (here) is actually a spare I got with the engine, he had it lying around on his
driveway!
At the moment I'm going the distributor route but will need an ignition box as I now have some 45's.
I have seen the distributorless 'wasted spark' systems around though - what are people here doing?
Andrew.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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david walker
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| posted on 14/5/03 at 09:05 PM |
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The cheapest way to get a spark to your engine is to use a wasted spark/ distributorless system off an early 1100/1300 HCS Fiesta. I have one on my
X'Flow, cost me 15 quid for the whole lot - ignition module, wiring, coil pack, leads, crank angle sensor, temp sensor etc.
Instead of triggering off the flywheel as per the Fiesta, modify an 1800 CVH toothed front pulley and adapt it to the Vauxhall pulley. Mount the crank
angle sensor appropriately next to it and you are away!
You get a good spark and an ignition curve that will do the job nicely. This is a common fitment on autograss Vauxhalls. The drawback is that the
inbuilt rev limiter cuts in a 7500 rev/min.
Dave Walker, Race Engine Services - 07957 454659 or 01636 671277
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dougal
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| posted on 14/5/03 at 09:41 PM |
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i have a 20xe to.
the sump looks the same as mine aswell.
i have not heard about the fiesta route for the ignition. what i have worked out for myself is to use a distributor off an old cavalier aswell as its
coil and module. i know that the advance curve may be out and someone told me a carb 1800 vw one has an almost perfect curve so i may use that. i will
also be using weber 45's and if anyone has a basic setup for a standard xe i would like to know.
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Stu16v
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| posted on 15/5/03 at 06:45 PM |
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I've got a wasted spark MBE ignition module on mine (bought it dirt cheap though) but I did initially get the engine running as Dougal says. The
correct drive for the dizzy can take some finding (there are two different types) but from there on in, no mods required just bolt the dizzy on and
wire up the amplfier.
Ned, I eventually went for a Westfield sump, which is pretty much identical to an SBD sump. OK, so they cost, but I think of it as insurance rather
than expense. An XE starved of oil at 7000rpm isnt a pretty sight.....
Even with a Westfield sump ground clearance isnt great, but a lot better than using the standard sump. Also the standard sump is designed for
transverse installation in a road car, so when the engine is fitted the 'proper' way, oil surge will rear its ugly head, exposing the oil
pick up pipe to fresh air, especially as you will be able to corner faster in the first place.
P.s. I also recommend that you fit ARP (or similar) conrod bolts. They have been known to fail, this little mod makes the engine virtually bullit
proof.
Dont just build it.....make it!
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ned
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| posted on 16/5/03 at 04:14 PM |
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Stu,
Thanks for the advice, I was going to go arp bolts as I'd heard this already, guide price for mbe ignition box (distributor) or wasted spark
system and westfield sump??
thanks,
Andrew.
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Stu16v
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| posted on 16/5/03 at 11:00 PM |
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Guide price for sump....I was lucky, I went to the Westfield open day a couple of years ago, and bought it for 165 GBP, AFAIK they are normally around
210 mark.
As for ignition, dunno really TBH. Keep your eyes peeled in the classifieds of the Motorsport News...
Dont just build it.....make it!
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skippad
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 posted on 17/5/03 at 02:44 PM |
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vauxhall sumps
Ned
yukspeed do a shallow baffled sump for £125 its made 3mm steel and wings similar looking to RS2000 ally jobbie. It seems to work ok. They also sell
MBE ignition systems for XE's costs £400 inc coilpack, seems a lot, but i fitted mine, first turn of key it started!. It only has 4 wires to
fit! Excelenttt!
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