02GF74
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 posted on 4/10/07 at 09:59 AM |
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recommendations for 1500 cc engine
and don't say BEC!!
looking through the parkers guide at engines and power, I have seen the following:
Fiat Uno 1.4 GT Turbo 136 bhp
Honda Civic 1.5 LS 115 bhp
Hyundai S Coupe 1.5 MVTi Turbo 114 bhp
Rover 414 103 bhp
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From the list, which of those have been used in a 7?
Does the honda spin the right way?
On which side is the inlet/exhaust?
For which engines are gearbox adpaters avialable?
anyone have information about engine height - from centre of crank to top of cam cover/oil filler
(in case you are wondering, looking to stick to engines < 1.5 l simply as it is £ 65 chepaer per year.)
maybe it'll never happen but something to plan for perhap...
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 10:05 AM |
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To save £65 per year in insurance it might cost you a whole chunk more to build. You'll also be older when its built obviously so is it really
worth it??
K-series has obviously been used by CateringVan etc, but i recon the adaptor to fit it to the gearbox would be at least 3 years additional insurance
premiums.
edited to take out the C*******m swear word!! Sorry boys - i'll go and stand in the corner for an hour as punishment
[Edited on 4/10/07 by Paul TigerB6]
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JAG
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 10:05 AM |
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Rovers 1.4 K-Series has been widely used by 'you-know-who' 
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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jimgiblett
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 10:07 AM |
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I'd choose the 1.4 K Rover series as it is nice and light and in plentyfull supply. Belhousings are freely available and are upgradeable to the
1.8 relatively easily ata later date.
Just my 2p worth
- Jim
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02GF74
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 10:08 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
To save £65 per year in insurance it might cost you a whole chunk more to build.
rover 1.4 or 1.6 - anyone know how tall the engine is?
change of plan already - forget capacity then but looking for a low engine that would not require me from putting bulges in bonnet.
how tall is the 1.4 and 1.6 ?
[Edited on 4/10/07 by 02GF74]
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stevec
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 10:11 AM |
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Go for the Rover, But try to get a low miles one.
Mine works fine. There are some installation pics in my archive.
Steve,
[Edited on 4/10/07 by stevec]
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stevec
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 10:22 AM |
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They are all about the same height but with a Caterham sump you can loose a couple of inches.
Steve.
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hobbsy
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 10:40 AM |
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Guys I think he means it will be 65quid cheaper per year in road tax not insurance (but clearly the insurance might be less as well)
If you want to be really wacky there are a load of good sub 1.5 litre turbo diesel engines that have >100bhp and load of torque and can be remapped
to make probably +40% on top of this. How difficult in terms of getting a gearbox up to them and getting the stock ECU to run it I don't
know...
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 11:51 AM |
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nissan micra ? could have the same bolt pattern as other rwd models .
ecotec vauxhalls - they definitely have rwd adapters .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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Hellfire
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 11:52 AM |
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Kawasaki ZZR1400 - 190bhp
I didn't say those three letters either.....
Phil
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Moorron
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 12:04 PM |
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Renault 5 gt turbo, 1397cc 120 bhp 120 torques and easily tunable to 180 bhp reliably. 220+ if you want to shout about it.
Noy sure if it will fin under a locost bonnet tho.
Sorry about my spelling, im an engineer and only work in numbers.
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 12:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jimgiblett
I'd choose the 1.4 K Rover series as it is nice and light and in plentyfull supply. Belhousings are freely available and are upgradeable to the
1.8 relatively easily ata later date.
Just my 2p worth
- Jim
my bellhousing wasn't free - cost about £200
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 01:22 PM |
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Rover 1.4 puts out 104ps as standard -- can go a fair bit higher with just head work.
Avoid the one with the restricted inlet throttlebody fitted to low end Rover 25 they have much less power --- just requires the throttlebody changed.
(only 81ps)
They tend to rev more freely and give more power once they have over 40K miles
Version fitted to the last of the old shape 214Sei circa 1995/96 is a good version to buy -- less complex to fit.
[Edited on 4/10/07 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 5/10/07 by britishtrident]
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02GF74
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 03:17 PM |
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other than catehrham (although not been able to find it on their web site) - who else makes the bell housing?
is the honda civic 1.5 engine related to the rover?
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 03:40 PM |
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Nope, it also spins the wrong way. Only the F20C (S2000) and K20 (CTR) spin the 'right' way.
How about getting a 1.4 K series block and swapping in 1.8 internals, as the blocks are all the same
Dave
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02GF74
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 04:17 PM |
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ok so it is narrowed down to the rover.
are these alloy blocks?
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 04:19 PM |
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yep
Dave
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ned
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 05:02 PM |
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don't forget the zetec se, comes in a 1.4 in fiesta and puma iirc, ford build, yamaha design, ally block, bellhousings available from at least
three sources (quantum, westfield, shawspeed).
can always drop in a 1.6 or vvc 1.7 at a later date..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 05:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
ok so it is narrowed down to the rover.
are these alloy blocks?
All alloy, and very light. I had to remove a complete VVC engine and geabox from the front of a scrapped rover 200 Vi the other day and with two of
us lifting it fairly lept out of the engine bay with little effort.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 05:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
don't forget the zetec se, comes in a 1.4 in fiesta and puma iirc, ford build, yamaha design, ally block, bellhousings available from at least
three sources (quantum, westfield, shawspeed).
can always drop in a 1.6 or vvc 1.7 at a later date..
Ned.
Gutless compared to the 1.4 Rover unit --- I had one in a hire car was glad to get back to the 10 year old Rover 214 I had at home.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 05:57 PM |
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With Rover go to the car auction and buy a complete running 214 ---- only way to ensure you get all the bits you need ---- key fob, security ecu,
main ecu are all coded to each other and the engine
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
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Dusty
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 06:32 PM |
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No one thinking of Zetec SE. Small, come in variety of capacities, light, strong, tuneable, cheapish, readily available and bellhousings available for
type 9.
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ned
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 08:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dusty
No one thinking of Zetec SE. Small, come in variety of capacities, light, strong, tuneable, cheapish, readily available and bellhousings available for
type 9.
read the post three up from this one, keep up at the back 
beware, I've got yellow skin
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 09:12 PM |
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The Vauxhall 1.6 Ecotec is also overlooked far too much, probably because of the lackluster image of the 2.0L version.
The 1.6 has a well designed cylinder head and is capable of very impressive power outputs (have a look at the SBD tuning web site).
The Zetec SE is also capable of big bhp when tuned, but I have to agree with BT that they aren't overly impressive in standard form, though the
1.7 lump in the Puma goes well enough (expensive to buy though).
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britishtrident
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| posted on 5/10/07 at 07:45 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dusty
No one thinking of Zetec SE. Small, come in variety of capacities, light, strong, tuneable, cheapish, readily available and bellhousings available for
type 9.
A non-starter the 1.4 Zetec Se develops 30 hp less than the full spec 1.4 Rover unit.
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