MikeRJ
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| posted on 25/8/05 at 10:49 PM |
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Nissan SR20DET. Readily available with RWD gearbox from the Nissan 200SX (S14/14a). 200bhp in stock form, but very tuneable.
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Jasper
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| posted on 26/8/05 at 05:15 PM |
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200bhp I will probably find plenty - but you never know!! I loved the power to weight of my BEC - and this car will have carpets, windscreen, hood,
and other goodies so it will be heavier.
I don't necessarily think that over 200bhp + turbo charging will make a bad tourer, I've driven hicosts car at +300bhp and because
it's set up well it drives very (suprisingly) sedately until you want to give it some, then it takes off.
Liam - s2000 does need dry sumping especially if used on track because they have had a few problems with oil starvation with No3 cylinder - and when
you spend that much on an engine you don't want it going bang.... and the ECU can be fooled but it's tricky and probably beyong my
capabilities - similarly with megasquirt - an Emerald is £400+, but the best is the AEM at £1000+
And if some chaps spent £15k on a duratec to get it to 245bhp he must be f**king mad.....
I realise £2k is not much on an engine for 200bhp .... but it can be done - look at the 200sx s14 - can be picked up for <£700 leaving plenty for
ancillaires - many of which like new rad/fan/fuel pumps/a bag load of Samco and stainless hose clips/stainless exhaust with cat (no manifold) etc came
with the car.
I've been in a RV8 Stylus with a four barrel holley and other internal tweaks that apparently makes +220bhp which was a very nice drive - bags
of torque.....met a few other Silva owners at a local pub, a rather interesting lot.......
BTW I'm down in Brighton
Cheers for all the input so far.....
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zetec
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| posted on 27/8/05 at 06:59 AM |
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Go for the zetec, cheap enough for you to fit TBs and aftermarket ECU. Other good point if driving abroad is that any old back street garage can help
with simple repairs and spares available almost anywhere.
" I only registered to look at the pictures, now I'm stuck with this username for the rest of my life!"
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stevebubs
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| posted on 27/8/05 at 01:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
BTW I'm down in Brighton
Get yourself onto the Sylva-Chat List on Smartgroups and ask the question there - there's a wealth of experience of fitting various engines to
these cars (be prepared for a couple to say BEC, though)
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/sylva-chat
If you have the time, get yourself up to the liphook (3rd Thursday of the month). Nev Powell normally hosts this in his local pub and I don't
think there's many people around who know more than him about what will/won't fit in a stylus (When SSC first took the project over, he
was contracted to build the chassis)
Stephen
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stevebubs
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| posted on 27/8/05 at 01:03 PM |
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BTW You'd be surprised just how many Sylva owners probably live within a couple of miles of you
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stevebubs
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| posted on 27/8/05 at 01:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zetec
Go for the zetec, cheap enough for you to fit TBs and aftermarket ECU. Other good point if driving abroad is that any old back street garage can help
with simple repairs and spares available almost anywhere.
Put the Zetec into my Fury for about £1300 including exhaust, throttlebodies, ecu...
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 27/8/05 at 01:37 PM |
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Toyota 3SGE perhaps?
3SGE LINK
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Tim 45
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| posted on 27/8/05 at 02:35 PM |
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If you were interested in a v6 duratec heres a brand new on eBay.
Click
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Jasper
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| posted on 27/8/05 at 09:02 PM |
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Steve, been to Liphook and met Nev - seemed a nice and very knowledgeable chap - there were only 7 people there including me and the two Stylus chaps
I went with, the other 3 guys didn't say two words to me, and I even bought one of them a drink! Friendly Locosters they most certainly
weren't.
Not so much worried about what will fit, as most things will - it's more about what will be right for me.
I'm currently moving towards the Duratec 2.3. The car has already been built with one of these in (since removed and returned to Raceline), so
it has all plumbing etc ready for one, including Bailey Morris prop fitted and a full set of Samco's, and I can probably get hold of the exhaust
manifold and engine mounts from the chap I bought it from too - he still has them. Would make a lot of sense really.
But hey - I'm in no rush .......
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 27/8/05 at 09:47 PM |
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oh go on then, i can't keep me gob shut!!!
Alfa V6 £150 the lot, bish bosh job done.
Very reliable, 200BPH, lovely sound, all ally, what more do you want.
OK if not them, the volvo or the Nissan are good options. The nissans seem to be prone to bottom end failure, and usually keep their price now cos
the are drifters delight.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.
By that time, who cares.
You're a mile away, and you've got his shoes
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Jasper
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| posted on 30/8/05 at 11:21 AM |
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Alfa - reliable - really???  suppose it would be with new electrics....
Wot about the gearbox? Aren't they most FWD? And weight? Are they heavy?
Now you've got me thinking - I love that engine.......
Glad I've got plenty of time
[Edited on 30/8/05 by Jasper]
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 09:45 AM |
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I think that there will be an article in next months PPC mag on the conversion.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.
By that time, who cares.
You're a mile away, and you've got his shoes
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 09:58 AM |
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The engine is about the same weight as a pinto.
The only rear wheel drive applications of this engine was using the transaxle, or the very rare alfa six gearbox which mounted directly behind the
engine.
We have mated it to ford type 9, long shaft V6, and also short shaft, using a home made bellhouising.
I am currently looking at using the front part of the bellhousing from the original alfa 164 gearbox, and just using a simpler adaptor plate in stead.
If this works then we can use all the alfa clutch bits aswell ( except the clutch plate, Galaxy)
This must be one the best engines ever. Very cheap,( full car £150) loads od spares, cos the cars rot.
An the best sound you can get from an engine
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.
By that time, who cares.
You're a mile away, and you've got his shoes
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Jasper
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| posted on 1/9/05 at 10:24 AM |
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You have an email!!
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ned
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| posted on 1/9/05 at 10:58 AM |
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jasper,
re the duratec 2.3 i read (on here i think) that someone built a rally engine with a bore out to 2.5l capacity and with relatively mild cams it was
making around 290bhp.
the key imho is to get the power without revving the lump if possible. reliability issues often come with high rpm's (more to go wrong easier
imho). when standard engines start to need new/uprated internals is when its not worth bothering about when on budget and reliability constraints.
I love the xe but i think next time i'd go for an ally engine for the weight advantages. a relatively lazy v6 is a good option and are available
cheap. the ford v6 is another option which might even have a standard bellhousing fit.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 1/9/05 at 05:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
the key imho is to get the power without revving the lump if possible.
This implies super/turbo charging then. To get more power you need to make more torque at the original peak power, or make more torque at a higher
RPM. As torque is ~proportional to volumetric efficiency, once you have the head flowing well there is not much you can do to get further decent
gains without moving power further up the RPM range.
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