Rob Lane
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| posted on 4/11/03 at 08:35 AM |
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This is the full Mega Manual index site. I've printed it all out and made it into a binder.
It's not something I would recommend unless your printers up to it. It's just over an inch (25mm) thick!
http://members.shaw.ca/megasquirt/manual/mtabcon.htm
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 4/11/03 at 10:18 PM |
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Well it's been an eventful day, what with my embarrasing moment with my IR port. (see:Anything Else) and the discovery that the Willette
programmer requires a very odd crystal oscillator. 19.6608mhz !!
I cannot source one this side of the pond.
So, I've ordered a MegaProgrammer with KX8 adapter. This will allow me to prog chips for the MJLJ and the MSnEDIS.
Later I should be able to supply anyone who wants a programmed chip for MJLJ.
There's also a faint possibilty that someone else is doing a small run of MJLJ boards over here.
If I have more news I will post.
I can't take this off forum to my website as I have no feedback facilities so apologies if this is boring everyone.
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Northy
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| posted on 5/11/03 at 07:58 AM |
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You're not boring me Rob! 
How much was the programmer, and where do you order/get that from! 
More things to learn about!
I've ordered a MS partial kit, and a stimulator. Going to the scrappy on Saturday morning hunting for an EDIS 4 and all associated bits. 
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 5/11/03 at 09:22 AM |
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Glad it's not boring.
I ordered the unit from Patrick Carlier the designer. It's the last one left.
With it I will be able to prog GP32 chips for the MSnEDIS and KX8 chips for the MJLJ. Later, once I have them sourced I can do them for anyone this
side of pond.
There's slight confusion also, as to whether the Willette will prog the GP32 as used in latest versions, hence my change of heart.
I can't build up a MegaProg as the PCB picture has insufficient resolution and some of the tracks are blended together.
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 8/11/03 at 10:28 AM |
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MegasquirtNEDIS has now had version 3005 released but they are claiming an upper rev limit of 7800 rpm.
As my 4AGE is capable of 8500 I will have to check this when built. According to one guy he can reach 9500 rpm, so it's interesting.
Edited figure to correct 7800 !
[Edited on 11/11/03 by Rob Lane]
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sgraber
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| posted on 8/11/03 at 02:35 PM |
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Rob, Since the MSnEDIS uses the fast idle circuit to interface with the EDIS box, what are your plans for fast idle? Do you have a bosch air valve?
Any pictures of your progress?
I find your reports very interesting. Especially since you are working with a 4AGE. I'd like to have access to in-depth details regarding your
project for when I get started with mine.
Graber
[Edited on 11/8/03 by sgraber]
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 11/11/03 at 06:51 PM |
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Not much progress to report. I've obtained all components required for MS and I'm waiting for the partial kit to arrive from USA.
That contains PCB and progged chip, which I'll put to one side as I intend to prog a blank with MSnEDIS.
The Megaprogrammer has been posted to me and I wait arrival.
Meanwhile I've found a link I mislaid. This link has all tech info on ECU functions, basic engine management etc etc. Although it's an
in depth of the Toyota systems it's worth a look at for a basic understanding of how it all works.
http://www.autoshop101.com/techarticles/technicalarticles.html
Rob Lane
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 13/11/03 at 04:49 PM |
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Further to the posting on home made throttle bodies I have converted a pair of Weber 40s attached to a modified Ginnetta manifold ( a few more
pictures in the archive)
Schrodinger
 
Rescued attachment Dressed Manifold.jpg
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rell
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| posted on 13/11/03 at 10:27 PM |
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i gave up on making my own because i got a set of GSXR600 throttle bodies for £40 all iv got to do is make a manifold and get it to work on mega
squirt.
i may have to put bigger injectors in thow
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 14/11/03 at 01:17 PM |
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I'm still holding off on individual bodies for the moment.
I may yet have a chance at a set for mine from a 4AGZE engine in New Zealand.
Meanwhile, the Megaprogrammer has arrived from Patrick Carlier so I should be able to prog a couple of GP32 chips with MSnEDIS software.
Current price for a GP32 works out about £10 to £12.
Picture below
 
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Northy
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| posted on 15/11/03 at 03:58 PM |
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And I think I've managed to get all the Ford bits for the huge sum off £20
What do you think Dave? Are they right?
 
Rescued attachment All the Ford bits.jpg
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 17/11/03 at 11:27 PM |
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Well after much trial and tribulation I've managed to program 2 chips with MSnEDIS V3005.
I now firmly believe my laptop does not have a fully functioning serial port!
After no success with the programmer connected to my laptop I decided to use the office PC. It was when I copied the files onto a CD and tried the CD
in the machine that I discovered that Win98 had lost the drive! Not only that it steadfastly refused to recognise it after every effort to reload
drivers.
At first I thought I had a Catch 22. How to reload Win98 when CD wouldn't run? Then I remembered the floppy disk with Win 98 startup in the
desk drawer.
Changing BIOS to boot from floppy I was finally able to get Win 98 re-installed.
Once done, I connected the programmer cable and started the software. It was running and ready to program in less than half a second.
Loaded the file and told it to prog the chip, it took about 3 seconds and it was complete. I put in a second chip and progged that in the same
time.
Much relief after all the trials, especially for the office machine as we backup to the CD writer drive every couple of weeks or so.
Still don't know how it lost the drive though. The machine worked perfect but the drive did not appear in any of the dialogues.
Same goes for laptop, although I've suspected this for some time after all my troubles trying to get my mobile phone to connect via port,
finally giving up and using Infra Red.
If anyone wants a MS or MSnEDIS chip programming, then it's free except for postage cost or send me some stamps.
Send me a chip and I'll prog it.
Farnells charge 7-90 + VAT for a blank chip.
Rob Lane
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 24/12/03 at 09:55 AM |
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Long time since an update but little has happened till last week.
After a slight mixup the PCB's and other couple of bits arrived from the States. They are superb quality and maybe worth the extra wait.
I've started fitting the components and sourced some of the harder to find bits.
I'll put an update on later when built up prior to tests.
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all.
Rob Lane
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Northy
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| posted on 7/4/04 at 06:12 PM |
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Any updates Rob?
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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sgraber
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| posted on 7/4/04 at 07:43 PM |
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Yeah, Inquiring minds want to know!
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Northy
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| posted on 8/4/04 at 06:27 AM |
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The MJLJ PCB's are available now. I was going to make one, but its not worth it!
Planning on ordering a couple soon.
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 16/6/04 at 11:23 AM |
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Sorry, long time no post!
I've suffered various personal problems and I've done nothing to either car or MSnEDIS.
I did finish it and had it all working OK but I'm afraid it was I who burnt out!!
I'm currently fitting a new engine and T50 box into the car as the 2nd engine blew on start up after winter layoff.
I've still to strip it down to check but I think a 'little end' has gone along with wear to 'big ends'.
The synthetic oil came out like water and there was grey bearing sludge in the sump pan from the worn white metal.
I'm going to use normal oil in new engine.
Engine is from Fensport with 12 months warranty, it's a low miles import. T50 as outright purchase from Classic Conversions with 12 months
warranty. Can't recommend them highly enough.
Hopefully they will all stay together!!!!
Rob Lane
www.robs7.com
[Edited on 16/6/04 by Rob Lane]
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sgraber
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| posted on 16/6/04 at 03:39 PM |
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Ahhh. Sorry to hear about your situation Rob, but glad that you are back with us on the forum and building cars again.
That's terrible about the engine. As I recall, you don't have good luck with them engines...
I managed to build a MegaJoltLight Junior and I have all the EDIS parts too, but for now everything is sitting in a box as I am too busy building the
body. I still plan on doing a complete conversion to Squirt and MJLJ with a low boost turbo on top of my 4AGE.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 16/6/04 at 06:24 PM |
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Hi Steve,
I take some of the blame for the engine. I didn't turn it over all winter and with the water like synthetic oil, it all must have drained off
to sump.
When I started it there was a delay before the pump primed and that's when the damage most likely occured.
I wasn't too sure of engine history (who is unless they build it themselves).
It was claimed as a rebuilt JAP engineering engine. It even had the stickers.
Fascinating visiting Fensport Toyota. They do all the custom shows and specialise in purely Toyota. Easy to talk to and very very knowledgable.
Warehouse full of bits and engines.
Same goes for Classic Conversions. A little known company who supply most of the major kit car makers with their RWD gearboxes, diffs, uprights,
calipers etc. I saw some well known names on current weeks 'to do' list. One of the industries best kept secrets!
www.classicconversions.co.uk
I was able to buy a rebuilt and 12 month warrated T50 as an outright sale. He also had the other heavier duty Celica and Supra boxes.
He had some interesting things to say on gearboxes.
A T50 is good for 250bhp all day long.
A Ford Type 9 is good for 150bhp all day long and occasional 200bhp.
A 4 speed Escort box good for 100bhp all day long but NOT 125bhp.
Ford T5? good for 350bhp. As fitted to Mustangs.
Can't remember designations but maybe K or T 85? from Supra good for 350-400bhp when he's finished with them.
Rob Lane
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alfasudsprint
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| posted on 29/6/04 at 12:48 AM |
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Rob,
bad luck!
why are you fitting a new box with the new engine? which 4age are you using? how many horses? rude to ask the prices?
Tim
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 29/6/04 at 10:31 AM |
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No problem. The engine cost from Fensport is £450 + VAT. I didn't pay that though ;-)
There are no ancillaries but that's not a problem for me.
I always had two gearboxes, one in car and one for standby.
The box in car ran fine but had a bearing growl on overrun. So I thought I would try the standby box with the engine. Big mistake. It howled like a
banshee and rumbled all it's bearings.
So faced with engine out again I decided to buy a new one, ready to fit onto new engine. Cost £350. ;-)
I've since fitted it all up together and it ran a dream. Very quiet, good engine, fast car. Took it out for an 8 mile ride and was returning
when I pulled out to pass a car, half way alongside all hell let loose. It sounded like the engine and box had both collapsed, it was so noisy.
The noise went up and down with revs and had me puzzled, I drove home gently and started thinking about it.
Came to conclusions, either bearing on input shaft gone, spigot bearing collapsed, clutch thrust bearing collapsed or flywheel bolts loose.
Since then I've taken engine off box in car by just moving it forward whilst suspended on crane.
Immediately found problem as I could rotate flywheel back and forth about 3mm.
I dismantled it all and found that I had used the original RWD flywheel bolts which were only held by 3 threads with no shank on bolt. Two bolts were
out by one thread and rest were done up but not tight.
New bolts that came with engine were 15mm longer and had a shank which went through flywheel to locate it properly.
Needless to say I fitted them with Loctite and torqued them up. Dean C came round and held engine whilst I heaved on them to correct torque 101 lbs
ft. So high I was nearly lifting engine off hoist hook!
It then took over an hour to get the engine to go back on box, no amount of pushing lifting aligning would do it. We had a cup of tea to think about
it, when I finished the tea I leant on engine to look down bellhousing gap and the bugger just slid together!!
It's now running well and I've done about 25 miles in it.
Last night I redid the cooling pipes and added a second pipe after I discovered that I had joined two outlets together. The car now has a steady temp
and doesn't fluctuate like before.
Time will tell if it's all Ok but that's everything changed at front end now.
Bhp is standard engine at 129bhp for a phase 3, 4AGE. It's certainly fast accelerating even if top speeds around 115mph on a normal road, long
road should see 120-125mph.
With the first engine I reached just over 95mph at end of short finish straight at Curborough track. This was comparable with a 2 litre car.
Rob
[Edited on 29/6/04 by Rob Lane]
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Northy
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 08:20 PM |
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Just to let anyone who is interested know I am about to start building my MJLJ, and will be fitting it to the engine once the weather has turned shite
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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sgraber
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 08:43 PM |
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Hey Graham,
I just finished building an MJLJ myself. I haven't mounted it in a case yet, that's the last item I need. But I have sourced all the Ford
Edis components.
It's going to be pretty neat not having a distributor to futz with anymore and the ignition timing control will be a breeze to adjust when I add
the turbo to my 4AGE.
Let us know how you get along with it.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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buzzer
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| posted on 7/10/04 at 07:41 PM |
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I have been building a Megajolt system for a few weeks now, got the car running over last weekend and spent some time this week setting it all up.
It has made a tremendous difference to the car on light and medium throttle opening due to the fact that I was using a non vacuum distributor (wildish
cam and twin 40’s)
It’s been easy to install, I have put a couple of pages of the installation on my web site if anyone is interested. The address is
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/jtccc
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 7/10/04 at 08:01 PM |
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wel , ive just installed MS on a 480 turbo for a customer , got a few issues , since im keeping the ezk ignition .
If it were me , i would use the MSnS , and go from a crank trigger , its all in one box then
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