paul_mcq
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| posted on 27/2/04 at 02:32 PM |
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engine worries
i got a v6 and i'm hearing from all over the place thats its a 2.9 and 2.8 and 3 litre. its out of a sierra xr4x4 someone pplz help. thanks
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ned
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| posted on 27/2/04 at 02:38 PM |
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i think i'm right in saying it should be either a 2.8 or 2.9 cologne v6. the 3ltr was the earlier essex v6 iirc.
is it injection/efi or carb? Someone will be able to help I'm sure.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Stu16v
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 12:11 AM |
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It will be a cologne. Quick way of telling what cc it is by the number of exhaust ports on each cyl head.
2 = 2.8
3 = 2.9
Dont just build it.....make it!
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Graceland
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 10:18 AM |
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XR4x4 engines were in 3 flavours
2.0 I4
2.8 V6
2.9 V6
easy way to tell - if the throttle body comes off the side of a square plenumn and points towards the passanger side, its a 2.8
if the throttle body comes down the front and has 2 pipes going to afm's behind the passanger headlight its a 2.9 
2.8 - admittadly this is the turbo technics converted one tho.
2.9 - again a turbo technics converted engine, and quiite possibly the fastet one on the roads today owned by a mate of mine down london way.
the differance between the standard engines is easy tho as the tt conversions dont make them look much differant (the 2.8 TT has the plenum turned
thru 180 degrees to give the throttle body room on the other side)
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Graceland
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 11:03 AM |
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i get my info from years of working on them - i know the cologne engine backwards and insude out.
where do you get your info?
and did you note for referance i stated that the pictures i posted are of the turbotechnics conversions? i thought not.
point settled.
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Graceland
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 05:39 PM |
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2.9 has 3 exort ports yes
2.8 (uk/europe engine) has siamesed exhaust ports thus 2
2.8 american engine has 3 exhaust ports and alloy heads.
2.8 EFI LOOKS similar to the 2.9 efi, apart from the obvious fact that the 2.8 efi was never fitted into a uk sierra and was used in the granada only,
and for a very short period of time due to the unreliablness of it.
and as for my learned reply - why should it be learned? the knowlege of the engine i behold is vast and varied and is put to good use wherever
possible - as many of my customers will tell you.
and you state that the origional post was for scorpio 4x4. it says sierra, and just for clarity, the scorpio 4x4 was a 2.9 efi engine.
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Graceland
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 05:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by paul_mcq
i got a v6 and i'm hearing from all over the place thats its a 2.9 and 2.8 and 3 litre. its out of a sierra xr4x4 someone pplz help. thanks
note the word sierra?
i'm a sierra guru known by many for my knowlege. as far as i am aware the scorpio 4x4 has the 2.9 engine - i've not looked at a scorpio
4x4 engine before, but with the gearbox been the mt75 flavour i am led to believe it is 2.9 as the 2.8 (as fitted to the sierra) used the T9 box.
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Graceland
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 06:04 PM |
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you've confused me now - where did scorpio originally come from, i've read and reread this thread and cant find mention of scorpio apart
from when you bring it up?
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Graceland
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 06:31 PM |
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i'm 21 in *counts* 6 days time - and whats my insurence policy got to do with anything?
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Metal Hippy
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 06:48 PM |
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I think there may be a suggestion of you being a youngster that knows everything with little time behind you to have built a knowledge base...
I don't know either way, so I'm not commenting...
That's how it sounded to me is all..
Cock off or cock on. You choose.
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Graceland
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 06:55 PM |
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if i get accused of been a knowall then so be it - i know what i know and have built up my knowlege from a lot of hard work and time spent - how many
other "youngsters" as you put it would even attempt to build a car from scratch? not many from my understanding. just because i arnt
smoking a pipe and wearing zip-up tartan slippers with the bobble on the end doesnt mean i dont know what i'm talking about.
rant over. period
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Stu16v
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 06:57 PM |
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quote:
2.9 has 3 exort ports yes
2.8 (uk/europe engine) has siamesed exhaust ports thus 2
2.8 american engine has 3 exhaust ports and alloy heads.
So unless you have strangely dropped on a Yank V6, the easy way to tell is an exhaust port count then?
Folk (and probably Ford) can change inlet manifolds willy-nilly. It is a lot harder to add an exhaust port-unless the heads are changed. So at that
point, you would need to strip the engine to find out cc's anyway....
Dont just build it.....make it!
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JoelP
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 07:04 PM |
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next time this thread comes up, i shall recommend removing the plugs, filling each cylinder with water, turning it over, followed by a cry of eureka.
the the issue shall be settled with less fuss...
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madforfishing
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 08:26 PM |
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We could get 6 of us...check a cylinder each and test the bore and stroke. Come to a mean average compromise and bury the hatchet.
Having said that I have LOL'd at every other post.
Is there an ex Dagenham Propulsion worker who could settle this.
MR HAYNES...you're up...
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 28/2/04 at 11:36 PM |
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as an owner of a 2.4 (same as 2.9) cologne, I can verify that the engine plegnum looks like the one graceland says is a 2.9. My meagure understanding
is that the 2.8 air intake is from the rear.
And I have 3 ports per side for sure.
atb
steve
[Edited on 28/2/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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Graceland
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| posted on 29/2/04 at 09:53 AM |
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quote:
self appointed guru
i wouldnt say self appointed.
it would also appear that from reading the forums that you dont like young people knowing anything full stop.
but i wont stoop to arguement level.
[Edited on 29/2/04 by Graceland]
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steve m
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| posted on 29/2/04 at 02:26 PM |
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put xflow in, 4 cyl and very simple
just like me
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Metal Hippy
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| posted on 29/2/04 at 05:23 PM |
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Put a straight 6 BMW M30 engine in instead. 3430cc and lots of ponies dirt cheap.
Cock off or cock on. You choose.
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blueshift
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| posted on 1/3/04 at 02:09 PM |
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quote:
how many other "youngsters" as you put it would even attempt to build a car from scratch?
I'm 24 and trying to do one +4 with a rover v8 and dedion suspension, and before I started I'd never even changed my brake pads.
Just cos I'm building one doesn't mean I have a clue.
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Alan B
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| posted on 1/3/04 at 02:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blueshift.......I'm 24 and trying to do one +4 with a rover v8 and dedion suspension, and before I started
I'd never even changed my brake pads.......
And therein could lie your problem...
You simply cannot change you brake pads until AFTER you have started...
You young 'uns...I don't know.....sheeesh..
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 1/3/04 at 02:57 PM |
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young un's!!
lets hear it for young builders!! Woohoo
I'm 22 and building +422 dedion pinto
(and building my own dyno too! honest)
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Graceland
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| posted on 1/3/04 at 07:53 PM |
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wooooooooooooooooooooooo
I'm 21 in a couple of days
Stapleballs is 18
flak monkey is 19 or 20 - cant remember which
a few of us on ere then  lol
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greggors84
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| posted on 1/3/04 at 08:15 PM |
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19 me, admittedly i am building an Indy, bit more of an airfix kit compared to building from book really! But still im building it!
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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JoelP
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| posted on 1/3/04 at 08:35 PM |
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id assumed you were 84 really chris!
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 1/3/04 at 11:15 PM |
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23, car mechanic, engine conversion specialist, nine locosts (book/bought chassis), two formula 27s (one for the missus), and now onto my fourth Dax
Rush.
*far* too much time on my hands
Just wish I could afford to keep 'em, instead of selling them to pay the debts built up building them 
Dave
Stop the planet, I want to get off
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