givemethebighammer
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| posted on 22/3/04 at 10:21 PM |
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Zetec to type 9 starter now I'm really confused
sorry long post
I am using a (as you probably all have guessed by now) 2.0L Zetec connected to sierra type 9 gearbox. Using 1.8 Escort Zetec flywheel.
I thought I had this one sorted but doubt has crept in. Based on information from the Westfield forum, the local motor factor sold me a Remy-Delco
unit DRS 3468 (Sierra 1.8 CVH, 1988), this is the same as a Lucas LRS 707. However since the I have found much more conflicting information.
the problem is that I am sure ANY Ford starter would fit the type nine box 9 all seem to have the same bolt pattern and number of pinion teeth), it is
the "throw" that is worrying me. I really don't want to ruin the ring gear and have to take the engine and box out to replace it.
Quotes: (various sources)
1. you need a starter off a 1800 CVH Sierra (Make sure its the pre 1989 model with the Type 9 box as I think they switched to MT75 around Aug 1989 -
---hey this one fits the information I originally had
2. A Ford Sierra 1800 CVH or Ford Escort diesel starter is recommended. The latter
is preferable as it is more powerful. There are apparently different solenoid mounting positions - above or below the motor body. Ideally it should be
above the starter. Late Granada's and Sierras with the 2L 8v Twin Cam have the same starter. ------hmm maybe same as the info I originally
had
3. Starter motor Ford part No.5027644 (Ford say this is for a 2.0L DOHC sierra with a MT75 gearbox ?) -----????
4. Use Sierra 1800 CVH 88-92 starter
--- yep thats it
5. Use Lucus LRS 543 starter
---- ?????
6. Q: Lots of starter motors not working properly but can someone please share the secret as to which starter motor I will require for a 2l Zetec with
a type 9 box?
A: lucas lrs707
---- this matches what I have
7. The starter motor to use with a standard or lightened standard flywheel not the light weight steel one is a Ford unit fins number Starter motor
Ford part No.5027644 cost £78.74 cross ref this at a Ford dealer for the modlle but I belive its the DOHC 1800 sierra. --- ??, CVH wasn't a DOHC
was it ?
so on the whole it LOOKS like I have the right starter. Has anyone done this and made sense out of the Lucas \ Ford \ Other part numbers ?
Failing this how do I measure the starter "throw" and check this against the flywheel \ gearbox distance to make sure it is right ?
thanks, hope this info helps others and doesn't cause any more confusion than it already has.
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Big Stu
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| posted on 23/3/04 at 11:11 AM |
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I cannot really tell you if all the options you mentioned will work. I can only tell you how i did this.
To measure the throw, simply pull the geared cog as far out as it will come, and measure from the flange of the starter motor to the gear wheel, then
with the engine and gearbox mated together measure from the bellhousing to the flywheel gear ring.
I used a 2.0litre DOHC starter, which mates nicely to the orginal flywheel from the focus.
Probably of no use what so ever....
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Graceland
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| posted on 23/3/04 at 04:26 PM |
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cvh sierra never had mt75 gearbox  that was only on the 2.0 4x4/rwd, 2.9 4x4 and the 4x4 cosworth.
also cvh was OHC aswell
not to sure on which starter motor you need, but if you had used the 2wd MT75 gearbox, then you'd have no problems as you would have been using
a 2wd dohc sierra starter
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Mave
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| posted on 23/3/04 at 05:01 PM |
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Hmm, I have the same engine and as of tomorrow hopefully the same gearbox , and according to my information, the part that really works (a friend of
mine has used this, on a 1.8 Zetec with type 9 box) is: starter ford part.nr 87BB11000JB
( is Bosch.nr 0 001 108 083) of a sierra 2.0 OHC (mot.type NES from 1987).
This works on his car (he is dutchsuperseven on this forum, see gallery). As far as I know, the 2.0 L and 1.8L Zetecs are more or less exactly the
same on the outside, so this should work...At least, that's what I intend to try!
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 24/3/04 at 04:41 PM |
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thanks
I will be doing some ringing round to try and locate something like what you describe.
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 27/3/04 at 02:44 PM |
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measured the throw of the starter and the bell housing > flywheel distance.
The distance seems to be OK the Remy-Delco unit DRS 3468 \ (Sierra 1.8 CVH, 1988) \Lucas LRS 707 I have. I going to take a chance and see it if
works.
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pauldm
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| posted on 14/4/04 at 10:04 PM |
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Sierra gearboxes you ask?
Great link here for visual comparison [checking against each other by looking ]
>here<
*** I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather,
not screaming, terrified, like his passengers.***
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NS Dev
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| posted on 14/4/04 at 11:01 PM |
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Presumably by now you have done it mr givemethebighammer, but you are right it is the 1800 CVH engined sierra starter that you need, basically because
the Zetec used most of the same dimensions as the CVH, which is why things like starters swap over.
This forum is great, but there are a lot of people offering advice who have not done the jobs in question and the advice is often wrong!! Sorry but I
keep reading incorrect info!!
(now I await my hail of abuse!!)
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NS Dev
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| posted on 14/4/04 at 11:03 PM |
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PS yes I have used a CVH starter with a Zetec, in a front drive escort but it does fit!!
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turpy
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 06:44 PM |
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starter prob
Anyone any idea what starter to use with mondeo 1.8 zetec and type 9 box. pinto and cvh starters all foul on th ally sump.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 06:57 PM |
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Don't you have to " relieve" sump to get clearance for starter? Sure I have read a post on here somewhere to that effect
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bob
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 09:02 PM |
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i have heard some file the sump down a bit but some also cut the sump and TIG another piece of flat ali in to make the room
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stevebubs
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 09:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by turpy
Anyone any idea what starter to use with mondeo 1.8 zetec and type 9 box. pinto and cvh starters all foul on th ally sump.
Sierra 1.8 CVH. Depending which sump you have, you either have to remove a small amount of excess material from the side of the sump (Phase 1/2
silvertop) or a lot (phase 3 blacktop).
Neil (FatChipsomethingorother) has a 1.8 CVH starter on his 1.8 silvertop, and i've a 1.8 CVH starter on my 2.0 blacktop with dunnell 1.8
flywheel.
HTH
Stephen
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